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Senate Passes Unborn Victims Bill, heads to President Bush
03.25.03

Posted on 03/25/2004 3:57:58 PM PST by Coleus

Senate Passes Unborn Victims Bill

WASHINGTON, March 25, 2004



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"This bill recognizes that there are two victims. It's as simple as that."
Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio



(AP) The Senate voted Thursday to make it a separate crime to harm a fetus during commission of a violent federal crime, a victory for those seeking to expand the legal rights of the unborn.

The 61-38 vote on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act sends the legislation, after a five-year battle in Congress, to President Bush for his signature. The White House said in a statement that it "strongly supports protection for unborn children." The House passed the bill last month.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the bill was "powerful because this act is about simple humanity, about simple reality."

But abortion rights lawmakers contended that giving a fetus, from the point of conception, the same legal rights as its mother sets a precedent that could be used in future legal challenges to abortion rights.

It was the second big win for social conservatives pushing protections for the unborn following enactment of the so-called partial birth abortion ban last year. That ban is now tied up in the courts.

The Senate cleared the way for passage with a 50-49 vote to defeat an amendment, backed by opponents of the bill, that would have increased penalties but maintained that an attack on a pregnant woman was a single-victim crime.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., President Bush's opponent this fall, interrupted his campaign schedule to vote yes on the one-victim amendment. He voted no on final passage.

The bill states that an assailant who attacks a pregnant woman while committing a violent federal crime can be prosecuted for separate offenses against both the woman and her unborn child. The legislation defines an "unborn child" as a child in utero, which it says "means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

"This bill recognizes that there are two victims," said Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, a chief sponsor. Americans, he said, "intuitively know that there is a victim besides the mother."

The key obstacle was an amendment by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., that would have imposed the same tougher penalties outlined in the DeWine bill but classified any attack on a pregnant woman as a single-victim crime, avoiding the issue of fetal rights and the question of when a person attains personhood.

Feinstein said that by defining when life begins, the bill was "the first step in removing a woman's right to choice, particularly in the early months of a pregnancy before viability." She said it could also chill embryonic stem cell research.

The Senate also defeated an amendment by Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., that would require employers to give unpaid leave, and states to pay unemployment benefits, to women when they or family members are victims of domestic or sexual violence.

Supporters of the bill have named it after Laci Peterson and her unborn child, Conner, victims in the highly publicized murder case in California. California, one of 29 states with an unborn victims law, is trying Peterson's husband, Scott, on double murder charges.

Laci Peterson's stepfather, Ron Grantski, said at a Capitol Hill news conference that he and Laci's mother had received several hundred thousand sympathy cards and "they all mourned our loss of Laci and Conner — not Laci and the fetus."

The Senate bill covers 68 federal crimes of violence, such as drug-related shootings, violence at an international airport, terrorist attacks, crimes on a military base or threats against a witness in a federal proceeding.

It would specifically exclude prosecution of legally performed abortions — a fact supporters cite in arguing that the bill would not undermine the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision affirming a woman's right to end a pregnancy.

"The criminals who commit these crimes are not committing abortions," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee. "They are depriving these unborn children of the right to life. It's a separate issue related to the right to life."

Groups on both sides of the abortion issue lobbied hard on the legislation. Johnson's group noted that family members — including Laci Peterson's mother — who had lost loved ones in attacks on pregnant women were in Washington to urge senators to pass the bill.

The Christian Coalition of America said votes for either the Murray or Feinstein amendments would be regarded as negative votes on its annual congressional scorecard of lawmakers.

On the other side, NARAL Pro-Choice America delivered more than 130,000 petitions to senators urging defeat of the bill because the group said it would allow judges to rule that humans at any stage of development deserve protection, even when that protection trumps a woman's interest in ending a pregnancy.

"This would be the first time in federal law that an embryo or fetus is recognized as a separate and distinct person under the law, separate from the woman," said NARAL president Kate Michelman. "Much of this is preparing for the day the Supreme Court has a majority that will overrule Roe v. Wade."


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To: boxerblues
Feinstein said that by defining when life begins, the bill was "the first step in removing a woman's right to choice, particularly in the early months of a pregnancy before viability."

If there is one thing I cannot stand, its the viability argument. Christopher Reeve can't viably live unassisted ex-utero but I doubt I have the right to terminate him.

But, then, he's not my kid.

21 posted on 03/25/2004 4:46:21 PM PST by grellis (Che cosa ha mangiato?)
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To: watchin
"The Senate also defeated an amendment by Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., that would require employers to give unpaid leave, and states to pay unemployment benefits, to women (why not men too you idiot???) when they or family members are victims of domestic or sexual violence. "

Murray is an absolute idiot. Don't be surprised to see her sponsor a Bill to force employers to give people paid days off so that they can fight parking citations. She is just one moron, near the top of a long list of morons, that run this POS State I reside in.

22 posted on 03/25/2004 4:52:05 PM PST by Gator113
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To: Coleus
"Much of this is preparing for the day the Supreme Court has a majority that will overrule Roe v. Wade."

So it it be written, so let it be done.

23 posted on 03/25/2004 4:58:15 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Coleus
I see the Democratic Senators realized that women have a right to choose - their Senator in November.

Libs will go bonkers over this, but too bad - they have the 911 Commission or Bush's jokes about WMDs. They did not choose their battles wisely, and will lose the war.

Good.
24 posted on 03/25/2004 5:04:01 PM PST by mabelkitty (A tuning, a Vote in the topic package to the starting US presidency election fight)
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To: No Blue States
Amen
25 posted on 03/25/2004 5:06:03 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (End the culture of death!)
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To: deport
I cant read those names in a row without hearing them in my head being recited by that guy during live CSPAN debate.
26 posted on 03/25/2004 5:07:35 PM PST by mabelkitty (A tuning, a Vote in the topic package to the starting US presidency election fight)
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To: Coleus
Why is this a Federal Government issue?

Is everyone else here OK with the idea that the Feds can do and regulate any damn thing they want to?

I'm not.

27 posted on 03/25/2004 5:12:51 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never let your life be directed by people who could only get government jobs.)
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To: Coleus
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., President Bush's opponent this fall, interrupted his campaign schedule to vote yes on the one-victim amendment. He voted no on final passage.

He hates unborn babies.

For those who say there is no difference between the two party's this is a classic case. Kerry would veto and it would be upheld. Bush will sign and it will become law.

28 posted on 03/25/2004 5:20:59 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: Coleus
Doing my best Diane Frankenstein imitation: "But they aren't real children".

Whenever some pinhead lefty tells me abortion is a "choice" and should remain legal in all instances I just look at them and say, "yes, you are correct. And too damn bad your mother didn't have that choice".

Usually shuts them up.
29 posted on 03/25/2004 5:23:44 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an admitted War Criminal and should thus be in jail"!)
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To: deport
I hope like mad the GOP gains enough Senate seats in 2004 so we can tell Chaffee and Snowe to leave the party.

What contemptible human scum.
30 posted on 03/25/2004 5:24:45 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an admitted War Criminal and should thus be in jail"!)
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To: deport
I'm surprised to see Evan Byah on the NAY vote list.

As to Kohl-WI...protest his department stores. I think I'll call the local Kohl's store and berate the manager! lol
31 posted on 03/25/2004 5:26:10 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an admitted War Criminal and should thus be in jail"!)
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To: Socratic
Yep...I remember when the abortion lovers talked and talked about the "first trimester". And when it was pointed out at the time that it would eventually head down the slippery slope to abortion on demand in any instance they, as usual, called the opposition names and accused them of other motives.

They looked us in the eye and said, "no, no, no...we are only talking about the first trimester". Now look where we are.
32 posted on 03/25/2004 5:28:57 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an admitted War Criminal and should thus be in jail"!)
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To: Gator113
Is Sen. Patty Bin Laden still sending her kids to one of Osama's many daycare centers?
33 posted on 03/25/2004 5:29:49 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an admitted War Criminal and should thus be in jail"!)
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To: Hank Rearden
Is everyone else here OK with the idea that the Feds can do and regulate any damn thing they want to?

Title 18 covers territory under the control of the Feds, not the states.

34 posted on 03/25/2004 5:30:15 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: Hank Rearden
Try reading the Constitution...the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

When two humans copulate and conceive, it's a human being, PERIOD! It's not a dog or a cat.

But given the NAY voters on this issue, it's apparent two humans can copulate and create snakes and rats.
35 posted on 03/25/2004 5:33:40 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an admitted War Criminal and should thus be in jail"!)
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To: Coleus; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
 The Senate voted Thursday to make it a separate crime to harm a fetus during commission of a violent federal crime, a victory for those seeking to expand the legal rights of the unborn.

Thursday, March 25 - Feast of the Incarnation

Mother of God (Wa in kana jismouki)


Mother of God, O Gentle One,
treasure of mercy and our hope.
You are our refuge and in you we place our trust.
Intercede for us, O Virgin Mary
and have compassion on our dead.


Though your body may be far from us,
Virgin Mother when you pray.
But your prayers are always with us
giving us protection and shelter.

We implore you to ask him who honoured you
when he became incarnate from you.
Ask him for us sinners, forgiveness
and his mercy for ever and ever.

You are our Mother, you are our hope
you are our glory and you are our refuge.
Be our advocate before your Son
that in his mercy, he may forgive our sins.

Do not abandon us, O Gentle Mother.
You are full of all the graces.
Pray for your children, all your children,
who give you thanks for ever and ever.

Fr Geoffrey Abdallah.

36 posted on 03/25/2004 5:35:08 PM PST by NYer (Prayer is the Strength of the Weak)
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To: Coleus
""[In] [t]his . . . law . . . an embryo or fetus is recognized as a separate and distinct person under the law, separate from the woman," said NARAL president Kate Michelman. "Much of this is preparing for the day the Supreme Court has a majority that will overrule Roe v. Wade.""


From her infanticidal lips to God's ears.
37 posted on 03/25/2004 5:35:13 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: jwalsh07
So will Kerry be banned from the Catholic Church? Didn't think so.
38 posted on 03/25/2004 5:44:56 PM PST by mabelkitty (A tuning, a Vote in the topic package to the starting US presidency election fight)
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To: mabelkitty
This Catholic can only hope he is excommunicated until he atones for his sins.
39 posted on 03/25/2004 5:46:01 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: Coleus
Good news for sure.


Show 'em my motto!

40 posted on 03/25/2004 5:46:54 PM PST by rdb3 (It's the terrorism, STUPID! † <><)
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