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Go, Condi!

I have to say, this attack by Clarke (and jumped on by the Dems) has been one of the most bumbling, amateurish attempts I've ever seen.

Anyone catching a whiff of desperation??

1 posted on 03/25/2004 6:22:06 AM PST by Coop
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Anyone catching a whiff of desperation??

Forked tongues are notoriously stinky.

If Clarke were truly heroic, would he have endangered the American public by lying to them?

Clarke reminds me of Kerry.

Kerry supposedly did not like killing the Vietnamese.
But
Kerry was unwilling to stop killing the Vietnamese ("committing war crimes") until he could use his highly visible protestations as a steppingstone to his goal of becoming President.

2 posted on 03/25/2004 6:27:32 AM PST by syriacus (Clarke and Kerry found courage to speak out when they knew Dems would give them the Capitol mike.)
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"I have to say, this attack by Clarke (and jumped on by the Dems) has been one of the most bumbling, amateurish attempts I've ever seen."


I absolutely agree.


I expect that equally mature and measured comments about Rice are soon to follow. Expect terms like "house negro" and "sell out" to follow.

3 posted on 03/25/2004 6:27:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (Aye, fight and you may die, run, and you'll live...at least a while)
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Yes.

Someone reported on another thread Harold Ford seems to be backing away now. Imus went after the commission also today.

The jig is up.

Coop this is a Terry McC DNC operation....he can't shot straight to save his life.

4 posted on 03/25/2004 6:27:58 AM PST by Dog
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Clarke's testimony made HUGE BANNER headlines in this morning's Atlanta paper, along with a gigantic picture of him. The accompanying article came from the Washington Post. A search of Google news tells me that that article and another, even more biased, from Newsday are being repeated across the country. I very seriously doubt any such publicity will be given to this or any other truthful rebuttal.

Will people buy the lies? Strikes me that they might.

5 posted on 03/25/2004 6:28:03 AM PST by madprof98
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I agree. For once, I hope that the partisan media does not let go of a story. The more the details of this one come out, the more it appears as a naked political attack. It further exposes the Dems and the partisan media. It also brings the subject of terrorism to the forefront. . .right where John Kerry doesn't need it.
6 posted on 03/25/2004 6:29:24 AM PST by FlipWilson
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My Gut Feeling is Something Truly Very, Very Sinister about Clarke. Something Very Wrong With Him(Clarke). Wish I could pin it down. Something very evil there.
8 posted on 03/25/2004 6:30:05 AM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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Bush should have "forcefully" fired clarke when he took office. And Tenet. How many more are there that Bush kept on?
9 posted on 03/25/2004 6:30:21 AM PST by cynicom
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Someone got to Clarke. [I wouldn't necessarily say it was Hillary's team, but then I probably don't have to say that anyway.]

Hillary and Clarke both have the same publisher. Is if a far stretch to assume that 'someone' offered Clarke a financial guarantee, if he book were slanted in a certain direction?

There is more to Clarke's book and the circumstances surrounding it, its author, its contents, its supporters, than has come to light, yet.
12 posted on 03/25/2004 6:32:25 AM PST by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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An addendum is being added to the Hitler/Goebbels philosophy of lies and propaganda. The revised DNC philosophy is: "Not only lie BIG, but LOUDLY too."
17 posted on 03/25/2004 6:35:48 AM PST by guitfiddlist
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*BUMP*!
18 posted on 03/25/2004 6:36:36 AM PST by ex-Texan
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National security adviser Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that administration records -- including former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke's own words and actions -- prove false his "scurrilous allegation that somehow the president of the United States was not attentive to the terrorist threat."

Condi Rice? The same National Security Adviser who in May of 2002 said, "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would ... try to use an airplane as a missile"? That Condi Rice?

19 posted on 03/25/2004 6:37:00 AM PST by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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Democrats are smelling defeat. Ive been arguing this with liberals in a local group and have forced them to retreat to the old refuge of "why can't you get over bill clinton" only this time it doesn't work.

My kill shot..."if it has nothing to do with clinton, why has the 9/11 commission called him to testify"?
25 posted on 03/25/2004 6:39:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (Aye, fight and you may die, run, and you'll live...at least a while)
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You got to love that lady. I saw interview with her on Fox and Friends. She was brilliant and straight to a point.
28 posted on 03/25/2004 6:40:36 AM PST by bogdanPolska12
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Condi Rice has the class not to whine racism, which is exactly what any dim would do if this were a black democrat.
29 posted on 03/25/2004 6:41:08 AM PST by tkathy (Our economy, our investments, and our jobs DEPEND on powerful national security.)
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i think maybe this was planned by McAufull and possibly Carville. it would have worked if not for FOX and the taped briefing tape. without the tape they could say Condi's was just trying to spin it and a lot of people would believe it and vote for kerry.
38 posted on 03/25/2004 6:47:30 AM PST by camas
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Wow. I am astonished. CNN finally published a story that does not drip with anti-Bush rhetoric.

Man, I'm dizzy. Where am I? Did I wake up in a parallel universe or something?

Just cannot believe that John King, CNN's distorter extraordinaire, finally gave fair play to statements made by Condi Rice.

Maybe even they can see through this charade by a disgruntled man (Clarke)who has so obviously set his sites on becoming Homeland Security honcho if --- and that is a big, slimy, reprehensible IF --- f'ing Kerry wins the election.
42 posted on 03/25/2004 6:50:01 AM PST by Edit35
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It is probably important to understand Clarke's premorbid personality. There are many systemts. Below is a variant of the Meyer/Briggs 16 PF. It is that of the Mastermind. Marina Margaret Heiss wrote what is quoted below.

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know. INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking," including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers. On the other hand, they do tend to be scrupulous and even-handed about recognizing the individual contributions that have gone into a project, and have a gift for seizing opportunities which others might not even notice.

In the broadest terms, what INTJs "do" tends to be what they "know". Typical INTJ career choices are in the sciences and engineering, but they can be found wherever a combination of intellect and incisiveness are required (e.g., law, some areas of academia). INTJs can rise to management positions when they are willing to invest time in marketing their abilities as well as enhancing them, and (whether for the sake of ambition or the desire for privacy) many also find it useful to learn to simulate some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent unconventionality.

Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-) This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.

Probably the strongest INTJ assets in the interpersonal area are their intuitive abilities and their willingness to "work at" a relationship. Although as Ts they do not always have the kind of natural empathy that many Fs do, the Intuitive function can often act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial expression. This ability can then be honed and directed by consistent, repeated efforts to understand and support those they care about, and those relationships which ultimately do become established with an INTJ tend to be characterized by their robustness, stability, and good communications. Famous Maserminds are: Dan Aykroyd, actor (The Blues Brothers)Susan B. Anthony, suffragistArthur Ashe, tennis championAugustus Caesar (Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus), Emperor of Rome Jane Austen, author (Pride and Prejudice) William J. Bennett, "drug czar" William F. Buckley, Jr., conservative political advocate Raymond Burr, actor (Perry Mason, Ironsides)Chevy Chase (Cornelius Crane), actor (Fletch)Phil Donahue, television talk show host Michael Dukakis, governor of Mass., 1988 U.S. Dem. pres. candidate Greg Gumbel, television sportscaster Hannibal, Carthaginian military leader Veronica Hamel, actor (Hill Street Blues) Orel Leonard Hershiser, IV, major league baseball pitcher Peter Jennings, television newscaster Charles Everett Koop, former U.S. surgeon general Ivan Lendl, tennis champion C. S. Lewis, author (The Chronicles of Narnia) Joan Lunden, television talk show host Edwin Moses, U.S. olympian (hurdles) Martina Navratilova, tennis champion Charles Rangel, U. S. Representative, D-N.Y. Pernell Roberts, actor (Bonanza) Maria Owens Shriver, television newscaster Josephine Tey (Elizabeth Mackintosh), mystery writer (Brat Farrar) Rudy Giuliani, New York City mayor Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defense General Colin Powell, US Secretary of State

U.S. Presidents:Chester A. Arthur,calvin Coolidge Thomas Jefferson John F. Kennedy James K. Polk Woodrow Wilson

Sometimes to understand a work product you have to understand the person doing it. While this may seem trivial or silly to try to draw a picture of a person's personality, the Meyer/Briggs approach has been widely used for 60 years.

45 posted on 03/25/2004 6:53:40 AM PST by shrinkermd
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A senior official also said Rice twice complained directly to Clarke about his rare appearances at her senior staff meetings. In one e-mail, Clarke responded he was "too busy" and that after he missed another meeting Rice responded that he would have a "problem" if he did not start attending.

Rice said Clarke did once mention in an early 2001 memo the possibility of al Qaeda sleeper cells in the United States. But she said he made "no recommendation about what to do about them."

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God bless Conde Rice!

49 posted on 03/25/2004 6:57:51 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("(We)..come to rout out tyranny from its nest. Confusion to the enemy." - B. Taylor, US Marine)
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INTREP - CLARKE
61 posted on 03/25/2004 7:08:53 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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Was Clarke the source of the WH leaks? Hasn't that problem gone away since he resigned last year?
62 posted on 03/25/2004 7:09:14 AM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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