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The Mythical Moderate Muslim
Arutz Sheva ^ | 3.16.04

Posted on 03/16/2004 9:08:09 PM PST by ambrose

The Mythical Moderate Muslim

by Yashiko Sagamori

Mar 16, '04 / 23 Adar 5764

Primitive tribes offer sacrifices hoping to mollify whatever nonexistent beings they believe in. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman seems to belong to a very sophisticated tribe that, according to the recently retired Malaysian Prime Minister, rules the world by proxy. One would think Mr. Krugman should be above such crude superstitions. Nevertheless, in his column on October 21, he suggests that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld should fire General Boykin in order to mollify moderate Muslims.

General Boykin, the leading anti-terror expert at the Pentagon and a devout Christian, had openly and publicly, on several occasions, expressed his personal opinion of Islam, which happens to be rather low. Considering where the terror is coming from, this is far less surprising than Mr. Krugman's eagerness to sacrifice both General Boykin and the First Amendment in order to mollify moderate Muslims. I'd like to ask Mr. Krugman what gives him reason to believe that the beings he is trying to mollify actually exist.

The official, politically correct point of view says that Islam is just another monotheistic religion, not that different from Judaism or Christianity. If that is true, then moderate Muslims must exist, just like moderate members of other faiths. However, moderate members of other faiths do not require sacrificial mollification - that's basically how we tell moderates from extremists. Therefore, either moderate Muslims are mythical creatures, or we need substantially different criteria to identify them. That dilemma alone should make us suspicious as to whether Islam is "just another religion". Obviously, it is important that we determine how a moderate Muslim can be distinguished from a Muslim extremist.

Why not ask Muslims themselves? Irshad Manji, a young Canadian author, has published a book titled "The Trouble With Islam." Since we don't hear too many Muslim voices criticizing their religion, her book deserves our attention. This is what the author herself says on her promotional website

(http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/the_book_index.html):

"I appreciate that every faith has its share of literalists. Christians have their Evangelicals. Jews have the ultra-Orthodox. For God's sake, even Buddhists have fundamentalists. But what this book hammers home is that only in Islam the literalism is mainstream." Apparently, the terms "literalism" and "fundamentalism" in the quotation above are used interchangeably, as synonyms of religious extremism. Unfortunately, the author fails to mention the most important difference between "literalists" in Islam and other religions. Evangelical Christians may believe that heaven is reserved for them alone. Ultra-Orthodox Jews may display intimate understanding of the murkiest places in the Talmud. I have no idea what extreme fundamentalist Buddhists do that sets them apart from their moderate coreligionists. What I do know however is that no religion except Islam pursues the idea of physical extermination of those who believe differently. The concept of holy war is unique to Islam. Jihad is the absolute monopoly of Muslims. There is no parallel to it in any other religion in the world (Yes, I have heard about Crusades, but Christianity does not mandate them, and do you know when the last Crusade ended?). So, here we have it in plain English, as simple as A, B, C:

A. According to the Koran, holy war against the infidels is a sacred duty of every Muslim.

B. According to Ms. Manji, mainstream Muslims interpret Koran literally.

The conclusion is inevitable:

C. Mainstream Muslims perceive war against the infidels - meaning you and me - as their sacred duty.

Once you understand that, you don't need books to explain to you what exactly the trouble with Islam is. The trouble with Islam derives from the fact that mainstream Islam openly calls for murder of all infidels. That's why Islam is not "just another religion". That's what, in my view, allows to classify all its followers as extremist. What then, besides our stubborn, groundless faith in the general goodness of our fellow human beings, leads us to believe that moderate Muslims are not just a figment of our imagination? How do they manifest themselves in the real world?

It would be utterly useless to look for them in Gaza, Judea, or Samaria. Unlike bin Laden, terrorists occupying Israeli lands do not live in caves. They live in small towns, villages, and crowded refugee camps where everyone knows everything about everyone else. They couldn't survive for a day without popular support. When someone gives them a reason to doubt the sincerity of his support, they label him a collaborator and murder him on the spot. Indeed, the PA-sponsored educational system guarantees that innocent children are indoctrinated in the most murderous variety of Islamic extremism - thereby losing their innocence - at the earliest possible age. Therefore, in Israel, a moderate Muslim is a dead Muslim, which is bad news for those who want us to believe that there is a peaceful solution to the continuing Arab war against Israel.

Let's look elsewhere. Afghanistan, liberated by the United States from the medieval tyranny of the Taliban is about to publish the draft of its first constitution. Their new constitution is going to be firmly based on Islamic principles. The country itself is soon to be renamed the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. We wouldn't call a Jew or a Christian who wanted his religion to become the basis of his country's constitution a moderate, would we? Here, in the United States, we value the separation of church from state so much that we launch court battles to remove the Ten Commandments and every reference to God from everything that is even remotely related to the government. If Islam is "just another religion", shouldn't the same criteria apply to Muslim countries? And if the same criteria do apply, we have to conclude that President Karzai installed in Afghanistan by the American military and unable to survive now or in the foreseeable future without the American military presence, is not a moderate Muslim, but an outright religious extremist. His "Very correct" remark to Mahadir's call for the extermination of Jews shows that he is a political extremist as well. Therefore, the only practical question regarding Afghanistan is why did the United States have to waste lives of its soldiers and tens of billions of dollars in order to replace one bunch of Muslim extremists with another? It might have been worthwhile had it improved our security at home, but, as we know, that didn't happen. Therefore, we have to conclude that the United States has once again won a battle but lost the war. The same will inevitably happen in Iraq.

The desperate search for moderate Muslims goes all around the world. It is especially urgent in Europe, whose face is being irreversibly altered by mass immigration from Islamic countries. Recently, the British government appealed to the growing British Muslim community to isolate extremists in their midst. It's not hard to predict the response. Actually, there will be no response, because everyone in any Muslim community is an extremist. Such is the nature of Islam, and the only thing that I find hard to comprehend is the self-imposed blindness of the British government. Apparently, such is the price of liberalism and political correctness.

Bye-bye, Europe. We are next.

I don't think World War II could be won if the Allies, instead of eradicating Nazism, attempted to replace Nazi extremists with moderate Nazis. Actually, nobody was looking for moderate Nazis during World War II. But those were simpler, purer times. Today, the mythical moderate Muslim remains the focal point of the US foreign policy in the Middle East. The blind faith in his existence has already led the United States to many monumental failures, and many more are to be expected in the future. Meanwhile, the moderate Muslim, along with the Big Foot, the unicorn, and the Loch Ness monster, remains more elusive than a cure for cancer. There is at least a theoretical possibility that a cure for cancer can be found one day, unless of course Islam takes over and drags us all down into its own endless Dark Ages.


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Radical Islam : All nonmuslems are to be forcibly converted or killed.

Moderate Islam: Nonmuslems may be allowed to exist so long as they are in the quasislavery state known as dhimmitude.

Secular Islam : Adherents may be nonbelievers in Muhammed , the Koran, or the prospect of an afterlife (which they will not reveal, as to do so would get them killed by either moderate or extremist muslems) but they are fully aware that if the western secular states are overthrown, they'll be part of the Master Class, with all the rights over nonmuslems that sharia grants.

21 posted on 03/17/2004 6:39:53 AM PST by kaylar
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To: ambrose
Bookmarked for future discussions.



BUMP.
22 posted on 03/17/2004 6:48:35 AM PST by BayouCoyote (PORK AKBAR!!)
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To: Prime Choice
The day I see Muslims chasing terrorists and terrorist sympathizers out of their Mosques will be the day I believe that. At present, it sure seems like those who aren't actively attacking us are certainly coddling those who do.

My sentiments too, and based on a radio interview with the author of "The Trouble with Muslims", so would she. She is an educated woman who will be targeted for death for her views. She basically criticises those muslims in the West who have the freedom to question the radicals in their faith but do not because they do not want to cross the "literalists". She said that prior to the eleventh century there was a tradition in Islam of questioning the sacred text and that the radicals taking the mainstream has shut down this tradition. Basically muslims are held silent by fear.

The thought that literal Islam believes they must destroy western civilization in the name of their religion means that western civilization would be justified in destroying Islam. Unless people like this author make themselves heard, (and she will not sway many muslims, because she is a woman), a far wider slaughter will be necessary.

23 posted on 03/17/2004 8:38:21 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: ambrose
BTTP
24 posted on 03/17/2004 8:46:12 AM PST by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Radical Islam is an insane murder cult, "moderate" Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
25 posted on 03/17/2004 9:30:04 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ambrose
I'm still trying to figure out who gave the virgins in islamic heaven black eyes?
26 posted on 03/17/2004 9:43:43 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: ambrose
Or look at it this way, when Jews go extreme they go to Israel and grow oranges on a Kibbutz, when Christians go extreme, they go to Pennyslvania and forsake modern technology to bake yummy pies. When muslims go extreme, they blow themselves up in order to murder innocent people. Nah, islam isn't a religion its a death cult.
27 posted on 03/17/2004 10:02:58 AM PST by rageaholic
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To: blackbart.223
What do the Mansons and Jones have to do with Christianity, Judaism, or any religion for that matter? Why bring them up in this discussion where they obviously do not belong?
28 posted on 03/17/2004 11:43:23 AM PST by fatidic
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To: ambrose; vp_cal
Look! There it is!! (The legendary moderate Muslim)

What, behind the rabbit?

It IS the rabbit.


29 posted on 03/17/2004 11:49:45 AM PST by Shryke
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To: ambrose
Therefore, the only practical question regarding Afghanistan is why did the United States have to waste lives of its soldiers and tens of billions of dollars in order to replace one bunch of Muslim extremists with another? It might have been worthwhile had it improved our security at home, but, as we know, that didn't happen. Therefore, we have to conclude that the United States has once again won a battle but lost the war. The same will inevitably happen in Iraq.

King Pyrrhus of Epirus in the year 280 BC said after a bloody battle "one more such a victory, and we are ruined". How similar is this leader statement to our current war in Afghanistan, and Iraq.

I was hoping after the Talibans have been thrown out that women would dump their burka. It did not happened, simply because the population itself is a worsless stupid, fanatic bunch. We tend to think that yes, if you would like to beat your wife and require her to walk under a tent, that is OK. THAT IS NEVER OK! Shame on us!

30 posted on 03/17/2004 12:12:55 PM PST by philosofy123
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To: NewRomeTacitus
"For a guy with a charisma of a dead horse, his worst enemy isn't President Bush, its his own aversion to the truth."

We must rouse the dreaded "Holy Rollers" to roll all over Islam.
31 posted on 03/17/2004 12:39:45 PM PST by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
"Religion of peace? Who's worried about Penticostal suicide bombers or rabbis weilding box-cutters?"

We must rouse the dreaded "Holy Rollers" to roll all over Islam.

This probably makes more sense when I paste in your comment in quotes instead of replying to someone else's comment as I did in number 31. Sorry.
32 posted on 03/17/2004 12:58:58 PM PST by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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To: ambrose
The only good Muslim is not a good Muslim.
33 posted on 03/17/2004 1:55:32 PM PST by Defiant (Kerry Helped Ho Chi Minh, Would He Help Osama Win?)
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To: dinasour
A moderate Muslim says, "I am your friend", then tries to kill you, or if he can afford it, pays an extremist to kill you.


...on the money.
34 posted on 03/17/2004 2:42:50 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: dinasour
A moderate Muslim says, "I am your friend", then tries to kill you, or if he can afford it, pays an extremist to kill you.


...on the money.
35 posted on 03/17/2004 2:43:58 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: mercy
There ARE moderate Muslims. They are the ones who just don't give a good god damn about their silly religion. These folks are soon to be stamped out of existence. Islam is rising and we will not stop it untill we treat it like the nazism of the second world war.


AMERICA WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STOP THE BLEEDING

The LORD has never allowed a society to promote homosexuality or abortion without bringing His judgment - ours is no different: America is even now under the judgment of the LORD. America will not be able to stop the bleeding; foreign armies will occupy this land. "Behold, they are already among you, and you see them not."!!! America has refused the LORD’S grace, now America must accept His judgment:

1. Innocent blood was spilled on the land; the land is now defiled.
2. The blood of over 40 million babies has been shed in this land.
3. The sin has reached unto the throne of the Holy One.
4. Judgment is now upon the land; it will tarry no longer.
5. The blood of the offender has to be appeased.
6. America constantly rejects the LORD’S grace. Therefore,
America will now have to accept His judgment !!!

36 posted on 03/17/2004 3:13:51 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: blackbart.223
Sorry about that, I was mistakingly responding to the subquote you led with. There are too many fanatics of every stripe loose. Look at that nut out in Fresno. Over the edge and down the abyss.

One more good reason to keep the .223's zeroed in.
37 posted on 03/17/2004 4:33:27 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: RipSawyer
"For a guy with a charisma of a dead horse"

I thought you had me pegged ;^)
38 posted on 03/17/2004 4:35:56 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: fatidic
"What do the Mansons and Jones have to do with Christianity, Judaism, or any religion for that matter? Why bring them up in this discussion where they obviously do not belong?"

I belive the disscusion on this thread is about religious fanatics, in this case Muslims. But if you think Charles Manson and Jim Jones were not religious fanatics you need to educate yourself. Manson, in an indirect way, claimed to be the second coming of Jesus. As for Jones, he was the leader of The Peoples Temple.

Now, do you get it?

39 posted on 03/17/2004 7:42:18 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: blackbart.223
Manson and Jones made up their own "religions" and were not representing any organized religion. I thought the subject was the myth of moderate Islam and that a comparison of fundamentalists of any religion clearly demonstrates that fundamentalist Muslims are quick to shed blood per instructions from the Koran, while fundamentalist Jews and Christians are not so inclined per instructions from the Bible. It seems to muddy the discussion to bring in psycho cult leaders who made up their own rules/religions unless you are comparing them to Mohammed who did just that.
40 posted on 03/17/2004 8:08:52 PM PST by fatidic
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