[blackbart.223]

"What do the Mansons and Jones have to do with Christianity, Judaism, or any religion for that matter? Why bring them up in this discussion where they obviously do not belong?"

I belive the disscusion on this thread is about religious fanatics, in this case Muslims. But if you think Charles Manson and Jim Jones were not religious fanatics you need to educate yourself. Manson, in an indirect way, claimed to be the second coming of Jesus. As for Jones, he was the leader of The Peoples Temple.

Now, do you get it?

[fatidic]

Manson and Jones made up their own "religions" and were not representing any organized religion. I thought the subject was the myth of moderate Islam and that a comparison of fundamentalists of any religion clearly demonstrates that fundamentalist Muslims are quick to shed blood per instructions from the Koran, while fundamentalist Jews and Christians are not so inclined per instructions from the Bible. It seems to muddy the discussion to bring in psycho cult leaders who made up their own rules/religions unless you are comparing them to Mohammed who did just that.