Oh My God! Mel Gibson Wants to do the Story of Maccabees!

Sean Hannity | 3/16/04 | self

[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

On Hannity, he was talking to Mel Gibson about other stories in the bible.

When Sean asked him what one he'd like to do, he said the book of Maccabees!

This is of course the book which, from the Catholic viewpoint, Luther removed from the bible due to praying for the dead, but it also covers the exciting period after the Jewish return from Babylon when the Greek general Anticus Epiphanies took over the rule of Israel.

This really is block buster material and opens up the whole debate of the Catholic bible vs. the Protestant one.

What is your freeper reaction?

[tet68]

I think he should hold out to do the life of Mohammad.
Talk about critics!

[knarf]

Mel needs to make a movie about 9-11 so people will not forget. There is a story worthy of his genius. Too many Americans have forgotten the terror of that day. We need to know what it was like in the towers, trapped in the elevators, left on the smoke filled roofs and yes, inside the airplane cabins. Its a movie Hollywood will never touch.

You weren't bold enough.

Hey Mel, we know you lurk here ... whaddayathink?

[Mr. Lucky]

...where did Luther get the authority to change the Bible?

Assuming that this questions is asked in good faith, rather than to flame 500 years of internecine dispute, Luther didn't change the Bible.

1) The Jewish faith recognizes the same 39 books comprising the Protestant Old Testament as being Scriptural; it does not recognize the books of the Apocrypha as being Scritural.

2) Christ never quoted any of the books of the Apocrypha (and, therefore, in the Protestant view, must not have considered them Scriptural).

3) Luther broke with the Church in 1521; the content of the Catholic Bible wasn't finalized until the Council of Trent in 1546.

The Lutheran Church doesn't consider the books of Maccabbees to be inaccurate history, we just don't believe them to be inspired Scripture.

[Servant of the 9]

Right, which leads one to wonder, where did he get the authority do change the bible?

The same place various councils got the authority to remove other books previously, divine inspiration.

So9

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Where do I sign on as an extra?

[juzcuz]

I'd like to see it--this part--
Mattathias' third son Judas=Judah known as "the Maccabee" a word ususally interpreted to mean "the Hammer", went against Syrian armies and Hellianist (pagan) Jews. Maccabbees prevailed removed all signs of PAGANISM from the Temple even their ALTER TO JUPITER was ground to dust...

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Maccabees

The Maccabees were a Jewish family who fought against the rule of the Seleucid dynasty; they founded the Hasmonean royal line and established Jewish independence for about 100 years (from 165 BC to 63 BC).

From the beginning of the Greco-Macedonian rule over the Near East, the Greeks had been more or less respectful of indigenous cultures, though exploitative in terms of governance. The area of Judea was particularly well treated, since it was a buffer state between the Seleucids and Ptolemaic Egypt. The reasons for Antiochus IV's change in policy have perplexed historians. Beginning in the 180s BC, Seleucid fortunes certainly were declining, in the peace of Apamea the Seleucids lost virtually all of Asia Minor to the Attalids of Pergamum, around this time the Seleucids were also humiliated by the Ptolemies.

Other than the book of Maccabees, there is no corroborating evidence that the Seleucids suddenly wanted to Hellenize all the peoples of their empire, it is probable that the revolt started when the Seleucids tried to establish a garrison in the Jewish heartland, where none had existed before. Antiochus IV may also have tried to establish a ruler cult.

In 165 BC, Judas Maccabaeus started the revolt against the Seleucid overlords of Judea. After defeating them militarily, he entered Jerusalem in triumph and cleansed the Jewish Temple, reestablishing traditional Jewish worship there.

Independence was achieved gradually. It was not until 140 that Simon ben Jonathan had himself crowned king (in a Hellenistic ceremony). Jewish historians have said that Simon's claiming of kingship is what did in the state, since no one who was not of Davidic stock was ever supposed to have that title. In any case, the Maccabee kings ruled in similar manner not altogether different from the Seleucids. Their bureaucracy was filled with people with Greek names.

Judas' victory over the Seleucids is celebrated each year at Hanukkah.

The story of the Maccabees can be found in the Biblical books of 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees.

[nmh]

I should really clarify the Bible's position on this. Praying for the dead is not really justified either. It's really pointless since where someone is to go has already been determined:

1Cor.5:3

[3] For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,


2Cor.5:6

[6] Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

For those that are saved; to be absent from the body (death) is to be present with the Lord. The converse is true as well. So praying FOR the dead is fairly pointless. The fate has already been determined.

I know, some will say "tradition" over rules God. I say "tradition" doesn't over rule God. It is God that determined the rules; not mere fallible mortals regardless of how ingrained a man made "tradition" is.

[FreeRep]

Support President Bush & Our Troops. Our troops come from a wide variety of Churches and there are many honest differences in practice and belief among them.
But they all get along with each other. Will there ever be a time, in this War Against Terrorism , when we need to get along with one another more then now? Pray for the President as he continues to lead the global war on terrorism. Lets pray to get along on the FR. Thanks

[shield]

Good choice....however, 'The Passion of the Christ' has an anointing, thats why its doing so well.

Mel needs to look out, other bible movies without an anointing could be a big bust.

[Servant of the 9]

Depends . . . Will it be in English or Maccabeean ??? ;-))

Greek, if Gibson wants to be accurate.

So9

[Agnes Heep]

Not surprisingly, there are some very good and gory torture scenes in the story of the Maccabees, including skinning alive, tearing off breasts, hacking off limbs, etc. Classic Mel Gibson stuff, and sure to appeal to a certain element.

[fishtank]

I think Jerry Doyle and Bruce Boxleitner would like to star in this movie.

By the way, others have said that Maccabees is not inspired. However, any informed person must admit the books are accurate history.

This book is a commentary on the book of Daniel, and it quotes extensively from 1-2 Maccabees because Antiochus Epihanes is a type of Antichrist.

[HairOfTheDog]

opens up the whole debate of the Catholic bible vs. the Protestant one.

Oh - we really ~needed~ more fuel on that fire!

[leadpenny]

I don't know if you can say that here? Sean has an arousal factor to many FReepers. BTW, I was raised a Lutheran and don't have a clue about the subject of this thread.


Welcome to FR.

[Dog Gone]

I've always thought the book of Acts would make a great movie. Someone would do well to produce it.

So would Song of Solomon, but there would be a big debate on whether it should be rated R or NC-17.

[Arkinsaw]

My reaction? I am secure enough in my religion to see a movie based on Catholic theology without getting bent out of shape or offended.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

I thought he was doing Saint Patrick's biography?

[Celtjew Libertarian]

So would Song of Solomon, but there would be a big debate on whether it should be rated R or NC-17.

OK... Where do I sign up to be an extra on that movie? 8>)