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Ferret: why I'm alarmed by FR & will never post here ever again (except for my 9 replies & counting)
Originally posted elsewhere ^ | 2004-03-08 | Michael Joseph McCarthy

Posted on 03/16/2004 4:38:03 AM PST by bicycle thug

Edited on 03/16/2004 5:17:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Mod update: To put this "opus" in perspective, some additional information compliments of a thorough FReeper, dighton.

From a Kerry in 2004 Meetup page, via google cache:

bicyclethug (Eugene, OR)

I am Michael Joseph McCarthy, well known forest activist in Eugene, Oregon who ran against Scott Meisner for City Council last election. I am a Member of the Pacific Green Party who wants this scoundrel in office now thrown out.

72 posted on 03/16/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by dighton


Begin "opus":

Fascism in Free Republic manifests itself as extreme ideology that celebrates themselves as solely representing the nation as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. Liberalism is the prime keyword to represent the "problem" group causing the "decay and disruption of "proper" American life.

The FR reminds me of the typical fascist call for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and calls to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

FR's call to purge Liberalism and to install a conservative only lifestyle in these United States is not realistic under the auspices of the U.S. Constitution which is designed for all groups of all types and classes to be protected from the domination and authority of the dominant group.

The FR calls for the establishment of a dominant group - their brand of Conservatives - that keeps all the others in line including conservatives "who don't think right on various topics. The virtual community has degenerated into a witch hunt for any and all "untrue thinkers," who must be purged at all costs.

FR's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies - and elitist - in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one prime iconic leader whose authority flows downward only. FR, in typical Fascist style seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of what a community is, and the end result of their game is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely. FReepers unethically disrupts polls, hacks and disrupts other sites, and uses real or perceived disruption by others of their site as a rallying point to drive home a wedge between them and any group not belonging to the FReeper movement to reshape America.

Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and even true conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Jim Rob's blend of conservatism and use as advocacy of George W. Bush to insure that the right thinkers who know how to follow orders stay on board builds an obedience and cohesion to central authority. He wishes to create an entity that can influence people like Bush to fall into sync with his goals by offering an effective vehicle to mobilize and control people on the grass roots level as he has proved to people like the President that he indeed can do things like galvanize and grow the Klamath water rights for farmers issue.

JimRob is shrewd, he wishes to influence those in higher office and at the same time remold the electorate into a cohesive force that can roll over any group that gets in it's way in a very unconstitutional fashion.

The FR exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic (or in the Free Republic's case the classic homosexual wedge issue) scapegoating or radical- sounding conspiracy theories. They reject the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power.

Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, and much like fascism, they often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.

Fascism always has had a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right much like the FR does. It strives to be not a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, they defend capitalism against instability and the left, but also they pursue an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways.

I have watched and studied the FR with going horror as this culture has grown more malignant and horrifying over the years. Any and all peoples and nations are vulnerable to the disease of fascism, and thought I am sure JimRob and company started with the best of intentions, over the years they have cognitively grown more hostile and unreasonable to anyone not of an elite brand of FReeper. The road to fascism is so incremental it sneaks in and decades later people always wonder how the heck it happened. And it is happening at that particular virtual community, make no mistake about it.

I have always wanted to see the FR grow up. Journalism in these United States was reactionary and lacked accountability in the early years of our nation and as it evolved it was forced to grow up. I want the FR to flourish and to grow up ethically and responsibly, with a measure of respect and empathy for those other groups that blend with them to form our great nation.

But it hasn't, and it has grown into an entity quite alarming. If FReepers care and act now, they can take back a precious jewel of a forum bought and paid for by them that fills an important need in their lives.

If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor before it destroys what we collectively hold dear; The United States of America as we know it with our Constitution as is works now with it's checks and balances there to prevent Fascist and totalitarian entities from taking us and the world on the road to incredible destruction and human misery.

. This is a critically important topic, and people have leadership and intuitive skills that can either debunk me, or develop tools to reform FR and make it responsible and ethical as it should be. I don't hate and nurse disdain for the Free Republic, I deeply care and want the best for FReepers. And it hurts deeply and horribly to articulate my thoughts and fears here, as FReepers are indeed special people who do not deserve to be used, and to have bad things happen to them, or to be manipulated to cause bad things to happen to others.

Peace, and respect to all.


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To: Bluntpoint; Lead Moderator
You are the coolest moderator of all!!!

I beg your pardon?!?

Take it back, or you're banned! No soup for you - one year!! ;-)

281 posted on 03/16/2004 7:03:30 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Lead Moderator
Smoooooooooooooooooth!!!
282 posted on 03/16/2004 7:04:29 AM PST by Neets (“I now know Him in a more personal way that I have. It is as it was " Jim Caviezel)
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To: sergeantdave; hellinahandcart
Yesindeedy.
283 posted on 03/16/2004 7:04:49 AM PST by sauropod (I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Your moderatoring skills are flashy but lacking in substance.


284 posted on 03/16/2004 7:06:09 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: netmilsmom
I'll agree to a certain extent...however, I can't sit here and not post things because I don't know if tomorrow, the person I am responding to, will go out and harm themselves tomorrow.

Ferret posts regularly on LP..I think if he has those tendencies, he is more likely to act on them by reading the posts over there than on here.
285 posted on 03/16/2004 7:07:14 AM PST by Neets (“I now know Him in a more personal way that I have. It is as it was " Jim Caviezel)
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To: bicycle thug
I hardly knew ye. Buh-bye.
286 posted on 03/16/2004 7:07:33 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (Dogs have masters; Cats have staff.)
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To: Bluntpoint

287 posted on 03/16/2004 7:08:02 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: mabelkitty
Special consideration for unintended environmental references sprinkled throughout.

Good point! I'm slipping in my old age.

Sadly though, all grading is final.

288 posted on 03/16/2004 7:08:10 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Lead Moderator
Bravo.

You laid down the velvet hammer with that one.

289 posted on 03/16/2004 7:08:54 AM PST by Constitution Day (Go to Hell Carolina!)
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To: bicycle thug
I wish I could say it won't be the same without you, but I never knew you were here. Looks like I didn't miss much though.
290 posted on 03/16/2004 7:10:42 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: bicycle thug
Watch out that a tree doesn't fall over on you...or has it happened already?
291 posted on 03/16/2004 7:10:47 AM PST by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
I have but one ZOT to give for my country!!!!!!!!!!


292 posted on 03/16/2004 7:11:44 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: MissAmericanPie; BraveMan
Hnn... MissAP & BraveMan: you seem to have some idea of what the heck this guys rant was about. It just seemed a muddle of words without meaning to me.
293 posted on 03/16/2004 7:12:19 AM PST by AFPhys (My Passion review: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1089021/posts?page=13#13)
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To: bicycle thug
Reading this forces me to think about myself 20 years ago when I just got my degrees and I thought I was real smart. I believed the person who articulated his thoughts using a certain liberal code was always the best candidate. I thought the person who just sounded like my profs must be the best for political office. I thought if they smiled, were for the people, talked about clean water, clean air, open spaces, fighting poverty, etc., must be good for us.

I learned like most of us on this forum that liberalism doesn't work. When one is a doer, as I am. liberalism destroys the incentive that is fundamental to the human condition, ie, liberalism is contrary to normal human enterprise. It is that simple. For defectives, how I and others would characterize you if we knew you, liberalism and Marxism works just fine for those who lack, a spine, industry, pride of personal achievement, and ambition. Liberals seem to avoid these traits and in their perfect world none of these traits are important. They are defective humans. That is why no Marxist way of life has ever succeeded. It also won't succeed here.
294 posted on 03/16/2004 7:12:25 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: Neets
>>I think if he has those tendencies, he is more likely to act on them by reading the posts over there than on here.<<

It doesn't matter what site is getting to a person. If a forum is that big of a deal to anyone, he needs to talk to a professional. Let's face it, in the big picture, none of us here or on LP are real to this man.

The funny thing is, I feel I have some great friends here, but I wouldn't know them if I met them on the street.

295 posted on 03/16/2004 7:14:31 AM PST by netmilsmom (Jonathansmommie's daughter was born 3-11-04, God Bless her!)
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To: Mr. K
I know who you are talking about - I was there, as well.
Yes, they crossed the lines to moron, but I noticed their others posts and threads not long after.

Seems their stock in trade is the constant contrarian stance - just for the pleasure of it, I suppose.
296 posted on 03/16/2004 7:14:45 AM PST by mabelkitty (A tuning, a Vote in the topic package to the starting US presidency election fight)
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To: netmilsmom
If a forum is that big of a deal to anyone, he needs to talk to a professional.

The operative word here being, HE.

Meaning I can't and won't be held responsible, nor share in the guilt when people don't or can't deal in the "real world"...we are all adults...I understand your good intentions Mom, but again, it is the individuals responsibility.

297 posted on 03/16/2004 7:18:12 AM PST by Neets (“I now know Him in a more personal way that I have. It is as it was " Jim Caviezel)
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To: bicycle thug
Thank you for taking the time out of burning logging trucks to write this nice Opus.
298 posted on 03/16/2004 7:19:45 AM PST by fish hawk (I have two arms: Colt and Smith and Wesson)
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To: MJY1288
Maybe this should have been better posted in the "Litter Box?"
299 posted on 03/16/2004 7:23:02 AM PST by Maigrey (Tagline Revoked for refusing to make a Dane-Geld payment!)
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To: bicycle thug
Now, I ain't that smart, but if I get the gist of things through all them big words: if we do not believe as you do you will crush us???

You tried real hard to sound real smart, but you don't know what a facist is.

Take a breath, lighten up, and listen up a little more.
300 posted on 03/16/2004 7:25:06 AM PST by clyde260 ((Public Enemy #1: Network News))
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