Blame whom? (A precise damnation of Spain, Greece, and other European appeasers)

Victorhanson.Com ^ | March 14, 2004, 10:00 p.m. | Victor Davis Hanson

[NZerFromHK]

Let me get this straight. Two-and-a-half years after September 11, on a similar eleventh day of the month, 911 days following 9-11, and on the eve of Spanish elections, Al Qaeda or its epigones blows up 200 and wounds 1,400 Spaniards. This horrific attack follows chaotic months when Turks were similarly butchered (who opposed the Iraq War), Saudis were targeted (who opposed the Iraqi war), Moroccans were blown apart (who opposed the Iraqi war) and French periodically threatened (who opposed the Iraqi War).

[CasearianDaoist]

Why so you assume that potential actors in the war are merely Islamic fanatics? Why do you think that their are no state actors?

Why do you assume that potential actors in the war are merely Islamic fanatics? Why do you think that there are no state actors?

Sorry, just got up.

[reformedliberal]

We cannot allow them to spam FR daily w/their anti-Bush screeds. Remember Buchanan's response is isolationism, as in us withdrawing from Iraq, too.

Whenever one of these born again Silver Shirts posts here, we have a choice: answer them or allow their vicious lies to convince the weak minded and intimidate the lurkers.

I don't think they should be banned. I like knowing where they stand and making sure it isn't behind us, our troops or our president.

I know where they are coming from. Just like Kerry and the Spanish socialists, they want to fight the WOT, but do it *differently*. I think that means via dhimmitude.

They are not quaint, ineffective leftovers from 2000. They are philosophically aligned w/the appeasers.

We ignore them at our peril.

[MEG33]

Regime change was a part of our policy in Iraq since the Clinton years.Clinton bombed Iraq,established the no fly zones and played with his intern.We,under President Bush, implemented regime change.

Recall we did give Saddam a chance to go into exile just before the war.

Wonder why Saddam had all those scientists in his employ?

[Dane]

The USA freed Germany and Iraq for people to have free speech and free opinons - if you want obedient little slave-nations who automatically approve everything you say, I suggest you really should become old-school colonialists instead of teaching us about freedom

Well, well, turning yourself into pretzels aren't you with maybe a little Lowenbrau kicking in.

You basically stated earlier on this thread that saddam served not threat.

[DonaldDuke]

The USA freed Germany and Iraq for people to have free speech

Actually, no. The war in Iraq was to remove a threat, and the freeing of the Iraqi people is a bonus. The war against Germany was to crush an implacable enemy.

[KantianBurke]

How the heck is post #75 a "Buchananite screed??"

[Berliner Baer]

I agree with you that this might spread even further. Which makes it even more important to quickly cut down any future support for El Qaida in a _smart way_. But when I look at the support Osama finds even in huge muslim populations like Indonesia, it frightens me.

The main difference between Europe and US is the "How", not the "If". We believe Bush is counter-productive, actually making the world unsafer and playing into Osama's hands. (And of course, Bush-fans think the opposite of Europe)

And your observation on arrogance is actually correct, though browsing through these forums, you must fairly add: High arrogance runs on both sides of the fence. (And actually, due to Bush's way of doing politics, a split even right thru the middle of the US as Democrats and REpublicans appear divided like seldom before)

And again: I think anyone is naive who believes the Middle East will quickly be democratized and all will be happy. The resentment against the US and all of us in the West is too large in Arab nations for them to find "our" system attractive.

[Berliner Baer]

You wrote: "You basically stated earlier on this thread that saddam served not threat."

Yes, I stated that. And still sceptical whether life in Iraq will be really free in 2-3 years from now, especially for women or people openly opposed to religious fundamentalism.

When I said now that the US goal was to bring freedom to Iraq, I quoted the Bush-administration. ;-)

[Dane]

The main difference between Europe and US is the "How", not the "If". We believe Bush is counter-productive, actually making the world unsafer and playing into Osama's hands. (And of course, Bush-fans think the opposite of Europe)

And appeasement is your(Left wing Europe's) solution. Maybe you should look at the success Neville Chamberlain had.

I guess the adage of "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is verboten to the euro left.

[DonaldDuke]

Pray, pray, and pray again, you only have a few month left !!!!

I think you had better pray yourself, EU-scum, that you're using a proxy ;).

[PokeyJoe]

It would have happened regardless. The Islamainazi's consider Spain occupied islamic land.

[MEG33]

I pray you get help.Did you forget to take your meds?

[johnny7]

How the hell is an ally 'steadfast' when 90% of it's population is against your actions? The Spanish people clearly revealed their spineless nature in the face of a national threat. How you blame Bush for their actions is nothing but mindless drivel.

[DonaldDuke]

I pray you get help.Did you forget to take your meds?

Lol. Mr. "Lucid" has just left an ip-track to something that looks like a clear allusion to the threatened al Quaida attack against the US. Probably vending its way through the NSA computers as we type :)).

[livius]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Berliner! This has been driving me crazy all day, because I could find nothing else about it. I thought I had hallucinated it!

Do you mind if I post it? Or would you like to?

[KantianBurke]

The Spanish people were against our actions in Iraq, not against terrorism. Signifigant difference. They're mistaken of course as the two are connected but that's what they believe. Bush should have recognized this and Anzar should not have been asked to send in any token forces as the domestic repercussions of a terror attack in Spain with Iraq being to "blame" were too great.

[Berliner Baer]

no, go ahead and you post it.

I am only here as a Bush-critical lurker, interested in understanding a bit more the mindset of Bush-supporters (since German media and public is rather uni-lateral in their views, which makes it hard to understand from here why Bush is still popular with 50% of the US-population)

[Redleg Duke]

It is always Bush's fault with you, isn't it!

Do you take medication to maintain that whine, or is it inbred?

[livius]

Thanks! And thanks for finding it!