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Charles Darwin Knew: Science and Freedom
BreakPoint with Charles Colson | 1 Mar 04 | Charles Colson

Posted on 03/01/2004 1:02:07 PM PST by Mr. Silverback

Almost 150 years ago, Charles Darwin knew something that the scientific establishment seems to have forgotten -- something that is being endangered today in the state of Ohio.

In Ohio, high school science students are at risk of being told that they are not allowed to discuss questions and problems that scientists themselves openly debate. While most people understand that science is supposed to consider all of the evidence, these students, and their teachers, may be prevented from even looking at the evidence -- evidence already freely available in top science publications.

In late 2002, the Ohio Board of Education adopted science education standards that said students should know "how scientists investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory." The standards did not say that schools should teach intelligent design. They mandate something much milder. According to the standards, students should know that "scientists may disagree about explanations . . . and interpretations of data" -- including the biological evidence used to support evolutionary theory. If that sounds like basic intellectual freedom, that's because it is.

The Ohio Department of Education has responded by implementing this policy through the development of an innovative curriculum that allows students to evaluate both the strengths and the weaknesses of Darwinian evolution.

And that has the American scientific establishment up in arms. Some groups are pressuring the Ohio Board to reverse its decision. The president of the National Academy of Sciences has denounced the "Critical Analysis" lesson -- even though it does nothing more than report criticisms of evolutionary theory that are readily available in scientific literature.

Hard as it may be to believe, prominent scientists want to censor what high school students can read and discuss. It's a story that is upside-down, and it's outrageous. Organizations like the National Academy of Sciences and others that are supposed to advance science are doing their best to suppress scientific information and stop discussion.

Debates about whether natural selection can generate fundamentally new forms of life, or whether the fossil record supports Darwin's picture of the history of life, would be off-limits. It's a bizarre case of scientists against "critical analysis."

And the irony of all of this is that this was not Charles Darwin's approach. He stated his belief in the ORIGIN OF SPECIES: "A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question." Darwin knew that objective science demands free and open inquiry, and while I disagree with Darwin on many things, on this he was absolutely right. And I say what's good enough for scientists themselves, as they debate how we got here, is good enough for high school students.

Contact us here at BreakPoint (1-877-322-5527) to learn more about this issue and about an intelligent design conference we're co-hosting this June.

The Ohio decision is the leading edge of a wedge breaking open the Darwinist stranglehold on science education in this country. The students in Ohio -- and every other state -- deserve intellectual freedom, and they deserve it now.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: charlescolson; crevolist; education; evolution; scienceeducation
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To: VadeRetro
"So RightWingNilla, you think you are the spokes-model for all of science." Not necessary to his statement and not claimed by him. Do you know any other tricks?

RighWingNilla made this comment: "Scientists do not debate the validity of evolution" - he was trying to speak for all scientists. No tricks.

VadeRetro, you are losing it big time.

781 posted on 03/04/2004 4:10:19 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: VadeRetro
ThinkPlease notes that all of the supposed controversies are from chapters in Icons of Evolution. Confronted with facts, you obfuscate.

Now you are lying again. In that message ThinkPlease FIRST admits I am correct.

VadeRetro, you are making a fool out of yourself.

782 posted on 03/04/2004 4:13:11 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: VadeRetro
Gould is proposing bookburning? You can point to where he does that, I suppose?

Now you are lying again. Did I claim Gould was doing anything - no!

783 posted on 03/04/2004 4:14:59 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: VadeRetro
I could go on, but I'll stop with your 163 and quote from the last reply to you:

I am sure you can.

You made an illogical silly statement and you are trying to cover it up by attacking me. Very childish. The lying makes you look really bad.

784 posted on 03/04/2004 4:16:16 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: VadeRetro
VadeRetro: "Random" and "directed" are not opposites. (from message #624)
[I copied that from 769, I didn't check the source.]

I agree, they aren't opposites. As I said, "directed" and "un-directed" are opposites.

785 posted on 03/04/2004 4:16:58 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
A later snippet of that conversation:

#188 and its reply.

At 206, you actually deny challenging RightWingNilla's point in the first place (that evolution is not controversial among biologists). Didn't want the burden of proof.

Brazen.

786 posted on 03/04/2004 4:17:18 PM PST by VadeRetro (Does anybody believe this clown?)
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To: PatrickHenry
I agree, they aren't opposites. As I said, "directed" and "un-directed" are opposites.

But LastVisibleKerry can agree with you while disagreeing with me.

787 posted on 03/04/2004 4:18:34 PM PST by VadeRetro (Does anybody believe this clown?)
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To: VadeRetro
If he's right on the money, please explain how I'm not.

Unbelievable!

You are thick as the proverbial brick

This is why you are NOT on the money:

VadeRetro: "Random" and "directed" are not opposites. (from message #624)

788 posted on 03/04/2004 4:18:36 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
I come form a philosophical background so I believe all certitude is overrated.

So, you are certain all certitude is overrated.

And people wonder why philosophy isn't taken seriously anymore...

789 posted on 03/04/2004 4:18:56 PM PST by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Still brazening, I see.
790 posted on 03/04/2004 4:19:20 PM PST by VadeRetro (Does anybody believe this clown?)
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To: VadeRetro
But LastVisibleKerry can agree with you while disagreeing with me.

How original. Did you think that Kerry comment up all by yourself?

791 posted on 03/04/2004 4:19:53 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Know something? I'm not going to let you cover yourself by getting the thread pulled. How's about I just put you on "ignore" for a while so the little monument you've built for yourself here can stand a while longer.
792 posted on 03/04/2004 4:22:07 PM PST by VadeRetro (Does anybody believe this clown?)
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To: VadeRetro
What part of "was part of the response" don't you understand, Dumbo?

That comment does not even make sense. You are turning very irrational.

793 posted on 03/04/2004 4:23:20 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Lurking Libertarian
What definition is that? That's not at all what the theory of evolution says.

Really. So you think forces other than happenstance direct evolution? What are these forces? If you think I am wrong, simply state the forces other than happenstance that direct evolution.

794 posted on 03/04/2004 4:25:58 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
So you think forces other than happenstance direct evolution? What are these forces? If you think I am wrong, simply state the forces other than happenstance that direct evolution.

The laws of physics and chemistry.

795 posted on 03/04/2004 4:32:42 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Because a lack of direction does not imply that there is no bias towards the end result. For example, a river isn't directed, but geologists can predict how it will look like in 100 years based on the soil content, landscape, etc... the river is undirected and yet not random.
796 posted on 03/04/2004 4:33:00 PM PST by Nataku X (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: PatrickHenry
I agree, they aren't opposites.

Nice of you to try and help get your little buddy out of his hole but now you have dug a hole for yourself - this was your said earlier:

PatrickHenry: I assume that "directed" means the result of deliberate action of some kind of conscious "director." I suggest that the opposite of "directed" is un-directed. A process that is un-directed may be chaotic, or random (I suppose there's a mathematician's distinction), or it may be determined (that is: the result of natural law). A determined process is not at all the same as one which is directed. Thus endeth my two cents worth of commentary.

One more time:

PatrickHenry: "the opposite of "directed" is un-directed. A process that is un-directed may be chaotic, or random "

So Pat, are you now claiming your earlier statement was wrong or is the one you just made wrong?

797 posted on 03/04/2004 4:34:25 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
this was your said earlier:

Make that:

this is what you said earlier:

798 posted on 03/04/2004 4:35:30 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: VadeRetro
Know something? I'm not going to let you cover yourself by getting the thread pulled. How's about I just put you on "ignore" for a while so the little monument you've built for yourself here can stand a while longer.

You made a false statement. You then continued to insult other people. I rubbed your nose in it a few times. You are now pissed and flailing about illogically. This moment is ALL YOURS.

799 posted on 03/04/2004 4:38:34 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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800?
800 posted on 03/04/2004 4:40:55 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist.)
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