DNA Study Traces Ancient Ancestry Of Europeans

CNN.com ^ | 11-10-2000

[blam]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Four out of five men in Europe share a common male ancestor who lived as a hunter on a wild continent some 40,000 years ago, researchers say.

In a study appearing Friday in the journal Science, researchers say an analysis of a pattern found in the Y chromosome taken from 1,007 men from 25 places in Europe shows that about 80 percent of Europeans arose from the Paleolithic people who first migrated to Europe.

[ValerieUSA]

Hijacking, not highjacking - your display of superiority leaves me underwhelmed.

[cyborg]

I agree... This is just my opinion but all this research just tells me that God was right. Talking about family spats, how about Abraham Ishmael and Isaac for a little family argument? Very fascinating topic.

[cyborg]

Anything else to contribute besides TOS breaking language?

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

To transmit Y chr. you need to have uninterrupted succession of male descendents - you get only daughters and your Y is gone (even if your other genes pass through).

Granted. But it would be a bit unusual for that to happen with one of the natives to this extent and not with those who migrated in who would have had superior numbers as a general rule.

[tracer]

What?? No African origins for me??

Well, there go my EEO and "reparations" court cases, both shot to hell.....

[ASA Vet]

Val those are really beautiful photos.
Please send my thanks to your sons for their service.

[blam]

"I am not sure, but could it be that steppe horsemen were later, as Indo-Europeans moved to north-east from Anatolia?"

That is my opinion. The horse was domesticated on the Euro-Asian steppes...which also brought us the first pair of pants.

[MissAmericanPie]

I watched a documentary on the Discovery Channel tracing the migration of dispersed Israel along the China silk road north to the Norseman then to the Celts from the north, and from the Caucus (sp) Mnts. to the South to end up north in Great Britian. This was of course thousands of years later than the period in the article.

I was wondering if any DNA had ever backed up this claim, or could back it up. The King or Queen of England is always called the King or Queen of Judeah as well, and the Kings and Queens of England received their coronation on a throne that contained a stone called "Jacobs pillow" or the "Stone of Scone", which was returned to Scotland a couple of years back. It is the stone recorded in scriptures as the stone that bore witness to Jacob's oath to God and God's promises to Jacob.

The Queen claims a bloodline traced to Judea, so does the King of Spain, today DNA testing could support or destroy that claim.

[blam]

Sorry, can't help you much here. DNA could answer some of the questions, sure. I've only read brief articles about 'The Stone Of Scone' and am not sure what to make of it.

[cyborg]

You can always use that link I posted and find out :)

[A. Pole]

But it would be a bit unusual for that to happen with one of the natives to this extent

Not really - average number of surviving and fertile children over the long term should be two. The chance that a man does not have a son is 1 in 4 (FF, FM, MF, MM). So in every generation 25% of men does not pass the Y. The number of represented Y ancestors decreases each ten generations - 1/((3/4)^10) = 18 times, fourty generations (800 years?) 100,000 times in an ideal perfectly mixed huge population. Isolation and lack of mixing might be the reason why the actual process is slower.

Such "elimination" of ancestors happen only with Y and mitochondrias.

[A. Pole]

The King or Queen of England is always called the King or Queen of Judeah as well, and the Kings and Queens of England received their coronation on a throne that contained a stone called "Jacobs pillow" or the "Stone of Scone", which was returned to Scotland a couple of years back.

It is rather symbolic as related to the early medieval/Byzantine concept of sacred Christian monarchy which was to be the spirituall successor to the Kingdom of David and Solomon. Same with the Russian idea of Third Rome or Western concept of German/Roman Emperor.

[greenwolf]

Well, I guess we could make it fit if you assume that Noah's wife was a little indiscrete, and either Shem, Ham or Japeth were from a different father. Then 75% of the genes would likely have been from Noah and 25% from the unknown redhead.

The books of the bible were written by Noah's descendants. The redhead's descendants either didn't know how to write as well or they didn't make as many copies of their books.

[Restorer]

Celts indeed lived in Galatia (like Gaulia) in Asia Minor.

They arrived there from the NW in 278 BC, they were not native.

Unless they were just returning to long-forgotten ancestral territory.

[A. Pole]

They arrived there from the NW in 278 BC, they were not native.

True, BTW Greeks came to Greece from the north-east and their colonies on the Black Sea maybe were older that the main Greece?

[Restorer]

As far as I know, the standard theory still has the Hellenes coming down from the Balkans into Greece, and spreading from there across the Aegean into Asia Minor.

But the whole period towards the end of the Bronze Age was a real mess. Made what we call the Dark Ages look like a summer picnic.

[A. Pole]

As far as I know, the standard theory still has the Hellenes coming down from the Balkans into Greece, and spreading from there across the Aegean into Asia Minor. But the whole period towards the end of the Bronze Age was a real mess.

They liked the sea, the main sea to the north was Black Sea, the Greek language is a distant cousin of Armenian and they have old legends like Golden Fleece. My personal guess they were at some time at the eastern coast of Black Sea.

[Agnes Heep]

Studies show that 90 percent of all homsexuals share a common pair of jeans.

[spyderbarque]

wow i bet they stink :)

[Bellflower]

Four out of five men in Europe share a common male ancestor ...

One common male ancestor, one of Noah's sons? The part about the sharing the the Y chromosome is fact the rest is conjecture.