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Electoral College Breakdown, Installment Two
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Posted on 02/19/2004 1:56:12 PM PST by Dales

Due to popular demand, I am going to revive my poll tracking and analysis that I did during the 2000 election season. I will be starting things a bit differently this year. Instead of starting off with a comprehensive overview of the entire nation, I am going to start by looking at five states at a time. For this second installment, the random state generator presented me with Colorado, Georgia, North Carolina, Montana, Massachusetts.

Please note that while this batch of states was pretty "Bush friendly", the grouping was determined completely at random using a random number generator.


Colorado
Electoral Votes: 9
2000 Result
Bush 51%
Gore 42%

Background: Colorado is generally considered to be winnable for the Democrats, but historically this has proven to be a solid GOP bastion. Only three times since Franklin Delano Roosevelt was President has a Democrat carried this state (Truman, Johnson, and Clinton against Bush- with a big thanks to Perot taking 23% of the tally).

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
9/8-10/03 Colorado Democratic Party NA RV 4% Bush 42% Unnamed Democrat 35%
12/15-16/03 Public Opinion Strategies NA LV 4.9% Bush 46% Unnamed Democrat 36%

Punditry: Colorado may end up being a single digit margin, but the results will likely never be in doubt. Strong Advantage Bush.


Georgia
Electoral Votes: 15
2000 Result
Bush 55%
Gore 43%

Background: Wallace and Goldwater won here. The only times the Democrats have carried this state since 1960 have been when native son Jimmy Carter was topping the ticket (twice) and when fellow southerner Bill Clinton beat that Yankee George H.W. Bush by a point, while Texan H. Ross Perot siphoned off 13% of the vote. This is not a friendly state for Democrats in Presidential elections, as even Bob Dole won here over Clinton despite Perot taking 7%.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
10/15/03 Zogby Link 400 LV 4.5% Bush 52% Unnamed Democrat 39%
10/23/03 Shapiro Research Group Link RV 4.5% Bush 49% Unnamed Democrat 41%
2/4/04 Shapiro Research Group NA RV 4.5% Bush 47% Unnamed Democrat 44%

Punditry: Take the Shapiro poll with a grain of salt, as they are a Democrat polling firm. I could call this as a strong advantage given the state's history, but on the outside chance that Edwards pulls out the Democrat nomination, I will take the conservative route and designate this race (for now) as Leaning Bush.


North Carolina
Electoral Votes: 15
2000 Result
Bush 56%
Gore 43%

Background: Since Lyndon Johnson's win here, only once have the Democrats taken Tar Heel electors. That's a bit deceptive, however, as many times it was extremely close. Carter lost to Reagan here by only two points in that nationwide blowout. Clinton lost two elections by a combined total of 5%. Yet the Clinton losses are also deceptive, in that the margins would have been considerably larger without Perot and his charts. Simply stated, like much of the south North Carolina votes Republican for President, although a southerner atop the ticket can make things interesting; not always though, as Al Gore demonstrated.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
9/16/03 Research2000 Link 600 LV 4% Bush 51% Edwards 40%
11/15/03 Research2000 Link 600 LV 4% Bush 54% Edwards 42%
11/25/03 Survey USA Link 563 RV 4.2% Bush 53% Kerry 39%
11/25/03 Survey USA Link 563 RV 4.2% Bush 52% Edwards 45%

Punditry: Obviously, this state is more interesting if Edwards somehow comes from behind to take down Kerry. Polls consistently show Bush leading all comers here by around 10-15%, and the state leans his way. Leaning Bush.


Montana
Electoral Votes: 3
2000 Result
Bush 58%
Gore 33%

Background: Big Sky will occasionally vote for a Democrat, but generally not for any non-Montana Democrats. For example, the Governor's race may end up being very competitive while the Presidential race is not. Since the Goldwater debacle, only Bill Clinton has won here, during his first campaign, and then only with Ross Perot taking over a quarter of the votes.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
5/16/03 Mason-Dixon Link RV 4% Bush 52% Unnamed Democrat 27%

Punditry: An interesting thing about the wording of the reporting for that poll- the newspaper phrased it that 52% would vote for Bush, while 27% would definitely vote against him and another 18% would consider voting for a Democrat. That latter phrasing is an attempt to make things appear closer than they really are; a more accurate way of describing those 18% would be "undecided". Another interesting thing is that this poll showed the Democrats absolutely crushing the Republicans in the Governor's race. Safe for Bush.


Massachusettes
Electoral Votes: 12
2000 Result
Gore 60%
Bush 33%

Background: They like them liberal in Massachusettes. Reagan did carry the state twice (barely), and Ike took it twice, but that's about it since 1924. Most of the time it has not been very close at all.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat
1/03 Mass. Insight Link 457 Voters 4% Bush 37% Kerry 53%
4/03 Mass. Insight Link 457 Voters 4% Bush 49% Kerry 43%
12/03 KRC Communications Research Link RV 4% Bush 38% Kerry 56%

Punditry: That last Mass. Insight poll is obviously an outlier. The Democrats are going to win Massachusettes. Safe for Democrats.

And while I am not going to do a separate writeup for it, Washington DC's three electoral votes are Safe for Democrats. Since the random state generator threw out such a Bush-leaning group this time, I'll add DC in now.


Summary Table
  Bush Democrat
  Safe Strong Lean Slight Tossup Slight Lean Strong Safe
  ND (3) CO (9) GA (15) - - NM (5) - - VT (3)
  AL (9) - NC (15) - - ME (4) - - MA (12)
  MT (3) - - - - - - - DC (3)
Designation
Total:
9 9 30 - - 9 - - 18
Candidate
Total:
54 9 18
Undesignated electoral votes: 457

Next installment: Nevada, Missouri, California, South Carolina, and Florida

Historical election data are located at Dave Leip's invaluable website.

Installment One


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado; US: Georgia; US: Massachusetts; US: Montana; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2004; dales; ecb; electionpresident; electoralcollege; gwb2004
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To: Dales
If you do a ping list for this stuff, please include me.
41 posted on 02/19/2004 5:00:06 PM PST by Rebelbase (The gravy train makes unscheduled stops.)
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society; Momaw Nadon; Alas Babylon!; ItsBacon; HateBill; TonyInOhio; ...
Newly added Pingee's.

Welcome folks!
42 posted on 02/19/2004 5:07:27 PM PST by Neets (Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining.~)
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To: Neets
Me! me! Add me too please. Thank you!
43 posted on 02/19/2004 5:08:12 PM PST by terilyn
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To: terilyn
Sure thing toots!
44 posted on 02/19/2004 5:08:53 PM PST by Neets (Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining.~)
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To: Dales
Requesting a ping, please? Very well done!
45 posted on 02/19/2004 5:12:05 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: Dales
Ping me too.....
46 posted on 02/19/2004 5:12:46 PM PST by irish guard
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To: irish guard; bootless
Said and done.
47 posted on 02/19/2004 5:13:27 PM PST by Neets (Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining.~)
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To: Dales
Please add me to the ping list as well honorable and much missed sir!
48 posted on 02/19/2004 5:17:12 PM PST by jonboy
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To: jonboy; tillacum
Tis a pleasure.
49 posted on 02/19/2004 5:19:35 PM PST by Neets (Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining.~)
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To: Neets
Thanks a bunch!
50 posted on 02/19/2004 5:39:43 PM PST by terilyn
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To: terilyn
No problem sweetie!
51 posted on 02/19/2004 5:40:22 PM PST by Neets (Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining.~)
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C'mon Jack!! KEEP UP!
52 posted on 02/19/2004 6:09:52 PM PST by Neets (Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining.~)
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To: Dales
Bump and please ping. Thanks.
53 posted on 02/19/2004 6:16:36 PM PST by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: stylin_geek
Pinged.
54 posted on 02/19/2004 6:18:14 PM PST by Neets (Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining.~)
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To: churchillbuff
Massachusetts recorded nearly 900,000 Bush votes in 2000 and I was one of them. The state's not entirely bad and shouldn't be written off. We've had a Republican governor here since 1990. We suffer here mainly because the GOP writes us off for the most part and that's a shame.
55 posted on 02/19/2004 6:32:33 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I do not like the new "Starbucks-style" coffee lids at Dunkin' Donuts)
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To: Dales
Add me to the ping. Thanks!
56 posted on 02/19/2004 6:37:07 PM PST by Dusty Rose
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To: Dales
By the way, thanks for all the effort, and posting your analysis. It is much appreciated.
57 posted on 02/20/2004 5:48:12 AM PST by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: Dales
Another interesting thing is that this poll showed the Democrats absolutely crushing the Republicans in the Governor's race.

Ah, but that was against Judy, and she will not be on the ballot.

Another potential Republican candidate for governor, Secretary of State Bob Brown ran neck-and-neck with Schweitzer in another test run for governor in the poll. The results show Brown at 40 percent and Schweitzer at 38 percent, with 22 percent undecided. Because the margin is less than the 4 percentage point margin of error, the poll says the two candidates are about even.

And that's where it stands even now, most likely. A Mason-Dixon poll in December had it 42-39 Schweitzer-Brown.

58 posted on 02/20/2004 6:47:15 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: Dales
In Montana, Carter in 1976 and Dukakis in 1988 came close. Clearly, the state has trended away from the 'Rats since then. Speaking of Dukakis, he won Massachusetts by only 54% to 46% in 1988. His home-staters had grown tired of him by then. Any chance of similar Kerry-fatigue this year?
59 posted on 02/22/2004 11:52:28 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued
Carter lost Montana by 7 and Dukakis lost it by 6. I do not know if I would call those particularly close; I tend to consider within 5 to be a contested state. So I guess that means I think it was close to being contested those times (but not quite).

Clinton came close to winning it in his re-election campaign, but again was relying on Perot taking 14%.

60 posted on 02/22/2004 12:13:57 PM PST by Dales
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