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Immigration's Silent Invasion, Deadly Consequences
Nrilinks ^ | Dec 22, 2003

Posted on 02/15/2004 10:57:07 PM PST by hotpotato

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To: Gallegos
So, your sollution is finding 8-12 million illegals through home raids and shipping them to Mexico in vans and buses? How do you make your proposal work?

Bush has a real proposal worth trying.

21 posted on 02/15/2004 11:54:35 PM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: Tamsey
There’s no terrorism like that that eats you from inside:

The risk of infection with Chagas disease is directly related to poverty: the blood-sucking triatomine bug which transmits the parasite finds a favourable habitat in crevices in the walls and roofs of poor houses in rural areas and in the peripheral urban slums. The geographical distribution of the human T.cruzi infection extends from Mexico to the south of Argentina. The disease affects 16 - 18 million people and some 100 million, i.e. about 25% of the population of Latin America is at risk of acquiring Chagas disease.

There are two stages of the human disease: the acute stage which appears shortly after the infection and the chronic stage which appears after a silent period that may last several years. The lesions of the chronic phase irreversibly affect internal organs namely the heart, oesophagus and colon and the peripheral nervous system. After several years of an asymptomatic period, 27% of those infected develop cardiac symptoms which may lead to sudden death, 6 % develop digestive damage mainly megaviscera, and 3% will present peripheral nervous involvement.

Just hideous.
22 posted on 02/15/2004 11:55:27 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Gallegos
If the military was put on the borders right now how long in this political climate do you think they'd be dispatched before being revoked?? It would have to be an act of congress, after the elections. Right now the only effective manner is boosting the border patrol, then after these election get congress to pass a law that would get the National Guard on the border beyond 2008. Yes I agree, it just takes planning and the circling of wagons to get things to work.
24 posted on 02/16/2004 12:08:40 AM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: hotpotato
Immigration's Silent Invasion, Deadly Consequences

And, these are the people working in our restaurant kitchens and cleaning our hotels. Spread the germs, uh, I mean love.
26 posted on 02/16/2004 12:23:28 AM PST by raisincane
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To: Porterville
So, your sollution is finding 8-12 million illegals through home raids and shipping them to Mexico in vans and buses?

That is a bogus argument.

All President Bush has to do is announce publicly that starting as of now, any employer found using illegal aliens as employees will be fined one million dollars per illegal.

Then start a very aggressive enforcement campaign in major cities across the country.

The illegals that are here will go home by themselves if there are no jobs to be had and the huge number of million dollar fines can be used to beef up the Border Patrol.

Of course President Bush and the GOP would never dream of doing something like this because they like their low paid illegal Mexican lackeys serving them drinks at the country club and keeping their mansions and swimming pools clean.

It also depresses the wages of those uppity middle-class Americans, another bonus to the GOP.

27 posted on 02/16/2004 12:25:00 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Porterville
seeing that you regurgitate well. How less urgent of a priority was control of the borders prior to September the 11th, 2001? Also in that speech are many "should be" on America's beliefs. You would think that everything is fine. It is not! Proposals that dismiss behavior that created this mess REALY only exasperate and perpetuate policy that created it in the first place. Ex: You don't throw water on a grease fire. Bush's proposals may put a lid on the fire to stem the fire. What needs to be done is remove the pan from the heat as well...maybe learn how to cook!
28 posted on 02/16/2004 12:26:17 AM PST by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I'm not surprised he hasn't had time to go after illegally hired janitors, they've been a bit more concerned the last three years with going after terrorist cells.... you know, the pilot types. Just last year they broke up a money-making cell nearby in Pennsylvania... they were using credit card fraud to raise money to send over to the Middle East. He's also had the Department of Homeland Security go after illegals with violent criminal histories, I think they've hunted down and deported about 2,000 of those.

While doing all that, Bush has merged the INS to the Department of Homeland Security and reorganized the intelligence agencies to work more cooperatively.

I have to say I'm pretty satisfied with the results so far... I lost neighbors in 9/11 and I haven't lost any neighbors since, thank you President Bush.

29 posted on 02/16/2004 12:28:18 AM PST by Tamzee (EARTH FIRST!!! We'll stripmine the other planets later...)
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To: Walkin Man
Have you read the proposal?
30 posted on 02/16/2004 12:28:21 AM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: endthematrix
What is your proposal? None. Good for you.

"How less urgent of a priority was control of the borders prior to September the 11th, 2001?" See post # 19

Bush has a proposal and you are too closed minded to even see if it works, the fear mongering of the left has robbed you of commonsense... that is too bad.

31 posted on 02/16/2004 12:31:17 AM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: Walkin Man
Of course President Bush and the GOP would never dream of doing something like this because they like their low paid illegal Mexican lackeys serving them drinks at the country club and keeping their mansions and swimming pools clean.

Is that what you think it boils down too?? Seriously, if he forces business to increase wages to minimum, what incentive does a business have to hire an illegal alien who doesn't speak English? NONE. There is no incentive, I know you will say something incoherent next, "babble, babble, babble" save it, you are wrong.

32 posted on 02/16/2004 12:34:21 AM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
I believe it's hideous, as are many diseases abroad. I also believe that this article is fear-mongering.

If these diseases are so widespread as to constitute a real danger to our society from immigration, why do we allow Americans to travel to Mexico? Tourists might actually be exposed to these "poor" people working as bus-boys and hotel maids, yeeks!

If anything, this article presents an even stronger argument for Bush's proposal... the more that people are documented as they come across our border, the more likely that illnesses or exposure to such will be screened properly.
33 posted on 02/16/2004 12:34:49 AM PST by Tamzee (EARTH FIRST!!! We'll stripmine the other planets later...)
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To: Porterville
This isn't a Latino (Hispanic, you say) issue, it's an immigration issue. And Bush's proposal does not address the medical exams for those entering the country... regardless from where the immigrant migrates, whether legally or not. Up until now, Americans have avoided many of these deadly diseases. But that seems to be changing. I would like to know if our government is taking steps towards protecting us. It doesn't appear so.
34 posted on 02/16/2004 12:34:58 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: hotpotato
Ping
35 posted on 02/16/2004 12:51:33 AM PST by AnimalLover
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To: Tamsey
If these diseases are so widespread as to constitute a real danger to our society from immigration, why do we allow Americans to travel to Mexico?

A thoughtful point. However, with regards to TB, a healthy individual can be exposed to TB, be a carrier but not yet "infected" and, therefore not infect others (the immune system of a healthy person will surround the TB cell preventing it from multiplying until such time that individual's immune system fails). The problem with those who have active TB, is that they can infect many while the American visitor to Mexico, who may be exposed but is healthy, will return and not infect others. However, they have acquired a possible "ticking time bomb"... which may never activate. Unfortunately, there is now a form of TB that is resistant to drugs.

If anything, this article presents an even stronger argument for Bush's proposal... the more that people are documented as they come across our border, the more likely that illnesses or exposure to such will be screened properly.

Remember, this article was written before Bush laid out his proposal. It did not take that into account. The concern was immigrants, legal and not, entering the country without screening. In Bush's proposal, would screening taking place with documented immigrants/workers? I saw no mention of it.

I support a worker's program. My concern is screening. And I wish I had more information about just how valid the concern is. The statistics from both articles are pretty scary.

36 posted on 02/16/2004 12:52:49 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: Porterville
"We have significantly expanded the Border Patrol -- with more than a thousand new agents on the borders, and 40 percent greater funding over the last two years. "

Before you continue blowing smoke and looking foolish, are you aware that the new budget doesn't contain a one dime increase for the Border Patrol?

37 posted on 02/16/2004 12:53:53 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: Porterville
"How less urgent of a priority was control of the borders prior to September the 11th, 2001?"

My memory is getting pretty bad but, when did Proposition #187 pass? Incidentally, by a majority.

38 posted on 02/16/2004 12:55:54 AM PST by AnimalLover
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To: Tamsey
"He's also had the Department of Homeland Security go after illegals with violent criminal histories,"

Would it make sense to close the borders so that when someone is deported they stay deported? Now, in 24 hours or less, they are back in the US!

39 posted on 02/16/2004 12:56:56 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: hotpotato
There are not any geo-political accidents. For the MWO to come to fruition, the fabric of our society must unravel.
Illegal immigration, H1-B visas, "free" trade, and the denial of Christian expressions and atributes, provide a synchronisity that is not accidental.

News Flash: Bonesman Bush ain't no good ol' boy.

40 posted on 02/16/2004 1:06:51 AM PST by rightofrush (right of Rush, and Buchanan too.)
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