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THE WORLD’S GREATEST CREATION SCIENTISTS (VON BRAUN)
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Posted on 02/07/2004 5:41:19 PM PST by bondserv

  Wernher von Braun     1912 - 1977 

“It’s not exactly rocket science, you know.”  The cliche implies that rocket science is the epitome of something that is difficult, obscure, and abstruse; something comprehensible only by the brainiest of the smart.  Names that qualify for the title “father of rocket science” include Tsiolkovsky, Goddard, and von Braun.  But Konstantin Tsiolkovsky was mostly a visionary and chalkboard theorist, and Robert Goddard only targeted the upper atmosphere for his projects; he was also secretive and suspicious of others to a fault.  Of the three, and any others that could be listed, Wernher von Braun has the prestige of actually taking mankind from the simple beginnings of rocketry all the way to the moon and the planets.  His name is almost synonymous with rocket science.  He is an icon of the space age.  As we will see, he should be remembered for much more than that.

Von Braun (pronounced fon BROWN – and roll the R) is important in this series because he was recent enough to be in the living memory of many, and we have a great deal of documentation, photographs and motion pictures of him.  Even young people (that is, anyone under 40) who did not live through the glory days of Apollo are all familiar with three of von Braun’s last great projects he took from vision to reality: the Space Shuttle, orbiting space stations and interplanetary travel.  Unquestionably, he had a great deal of help.  One does not do rocket science alone!  At the height of the Apollo program, some 600,000 employees were involved in tasks from machining parts to managing large flight operations centers.  Yet by wide consensus and by results achieved, Wernher von Braun was a giant among giants: highly regarded by his peers, respected by all who worked with him, a celebrity to the public, showered with honors, and unquestionably responsible for much of the success of the space program.  Few have ever personally taken a dream of epic proportions to reality.  The peaceful exploration of space!  It was the stuff of dreams — dreams by Kepler, Jules Verne, science fiction novels and countless childhood imaginations, yet today it is almost too commonplace.  Von Braun dreamed, but made it happen.  He was the right man with the right stuff at the right time.

What kind of person was he?  Many great scientists are quirkish or aloof in their personal lives, but we’re going to reveal a lesser-known side of von Braun, a spiritual side that kept him humble, grateful, unselfish, and strong.  We’ll see a remarkably well-rounded individual, a family man who loved swimming and travel and popularizing science for children; a man who loved life, had charisma and energy and dignity and integrity, handled huge projects yet kept a winning smile and a sense of humor even in the most stressful of project deadlines.  We’ll see a model of leadership that success-bound corporate heads would do well to emulate.  Maybe you didn’t know (incidentally) that he was also a Christian and creationist.  But first, a review of his record.

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To: PatrickHenry
If there is some designer behind evolution, he does his work in such a way that there's no trace of his activities.

Wow ... ever see the periodic "Table of the Elements"?

EVER wonder how that was arrived at, how the various atoms arrange themselves, interact with each other to form the myriad of compounds that make life possible?

The 'Creationists' simply astound me at how little they seem to understand the very world they live and interact with around them. It's as if they *still* think the world is 'composed' of four basic 'substances': Earth, fire, water and air.

101 posted on 02/09/2004 9:59:12 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: All
The old canard "Humans descended from apes" has been shown by the E folks to REALLY be "Humans and apes descended from a common ancestor".

Now the folks who study humans say that the 'opposable thumb' is what has given us such a great advantage over other critters: that it has given us 'tool making and using' abilities that FAR outstrecth the other animals.

My question is this: "Just WHEN did the monkeys, apes and lemurs get their opposable thumbs on their FEET?"

It seems to ME that this would give THEM a FOURfold advantage....



Another question: did our 'common ancestor' have two or four thumbs?? Did the M-A-L line EVOLVE the extra two after the split or did we HUMANS merely DEVOLVE them after the split?
102 posted on 02/09/2004 10:00:39 AM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: bondserv
Isn't using W. Von Braun as a model of a creationist scientist a rather blatant and obvious appeal to improper authority?

That would be like asking me my opinions on cosmology (or rocket science), since I am a nominally brilliant scientist in my own field. I may have a detailed opinion on cosmology, but it isn't worth much more than the opinion of Joe Moron down the street because I don't have any particular expertise in cosmology. Being smart isn't enough, you also have to have detailed technical knowledge in the field of question as well. Being scientifically smart doesn't seamlessly translate across fields. And history is replete with brilliant scientists and mathematicians who made fools of themselves by trying to cross over into fields in which they were technically incompetent (e.g. Penrose).

If W. Von Braun was a creationist, who cares? His specialty was rocket science, and he was completely clueless in many important fields. Being an expert in one area does not make you an expert in all areas. People so afflicted with Carl Sagan Syndrome eventually make asses of themselves sooner than later.

103 posted on 02/09/2004 10:10:10 AM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: TradicalRC
Hitler was a Theosophist. His views on race had nothing to do with "survival of the fittest." Indeed, his views of race were colored by a particular mythology that the Aryan people were created the most perfect people on Earth and that other races -- "mongrel races" -- were degenerate offshoots of this race. In some versions of the mythos, some of the "subraces" were created after the Aryans by Satan, who used inferior materials; hence the references in neo-Nazi propaganda to "mud people."
104 posted on 02/09/2004 10:11:54 AM PST by Junior (No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
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To: Elsie
Try going back and reading my post again. What part of "frequency" do you not understand? Do you imagine that new species pop up in one generation? If you believe this iswhat evolution predicts, please cite a reference from the scientific literature.
105 posted on 02/09/2004 10:42:17 AM PST by js1138
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To: Elsie
Then just from WHERE did this large group come?

I don't know where or how life started, nor does anyone else. Are you aware of any species with only one or two individuals? Other than the ones headed for extinction?

106 posted on 02/09/2004 11:03:52 AM PST by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry; Junior
"The German Fuhrer (Adolph Hitler), as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consistently sought to make the the practices of Germany conform to the theory of evolution . . . ."
Sir Arthur Keith, Evolution and Ethics, 1947
Anthropologist

"The 'religion' of social Darwinism belongs to the most dangerous elements within the thoughts of the last century. It aids the propagation of ruthless, national and racial egoism by establishing it as a moral norm. It Hitler believed in anything at all, then it was in the law of evolution, which justified and sanctified his actions and especially his cruelties."
Eric Fromm, psychologist cited in The Natural Sciences Know Nothing of Evolution by A. E. Wilder-Smith

"Evolutionary ideas - quite undisguised - lie at the basis of all that is worst in Mein Kampf and in [Hitler's] public speeches . . . "
Dr. Robert Clark, Darwin: Before and After

"I regard Christianity as the most fatal, seductive lie that ever existed."
Adolph Hitler, cited in Twentieth Century in Crisis: Foundations of Totalitarianism by Larry Azar

Touche.
107 posted on 02/09/2004 11:34:41 AM PST by TradicalRC (While the wicked stand confounded, Call me, with thy saints surrounded. -The Boondock Saints)
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To: js1138
I don't know where or how life started, nor does anyone else. Are you aware of any species with only one or two individuals? Other than the ones headed for extinction?

Throw this sentence out; it does not belong in my discussion.


EVOLUTION is the theme here.........
Either changes are advanced by TWO individuals or not. You've maintained that a GROUP seems better in your mind. I asked how a GROUP could all change at once, so to me a PAIR seems better.

Just what is this 'frequency' thing you are trying to introduce??

108 posted on 02/09/2004 12:01:24 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: tortoise
Nice homepage; now I feel I know a bit more about you...


Information and AI stuff.. Cool!! I know just enough to look really dumb when compared to someone who DOES know something :)

Let me tap into your expertise, if I may....


I'ver heard that the DNA structure is merely a chemical way to encode information.

Is that a pretty good layman's definition?

109 posted on 02/09/2004 12:08:00 PM PST by Elsie (When the avalanche starts... it's too late for the pebbles to vote....)
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To: Elsie
Just what is this 'frequency' thing you are trying to introduce??

I'm not introducing anything. It's the definition of evolution.

110 posted on 02/09/2004 12:10:36 PM PST by js1138
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To: TradicalRC
Touche.

Really? I gave you a quote from Hitler's own book, in which he professes to be a creationist. I know of nothing he ever wrote to indicate he ever knew anything about evolution, much less that he admired Darwin. There is nothing in his background which indicates that he ever studied biology. Hitler's only known intellectual interests were art and architecture.

Further, not that I would expect a creationist to be aware of this, there is nothing in evolution theory to suggest that one race should go out and deliberately kill off another. Competition, sure. Genocide, no. Sorry. Hitler's views were entirely his own invention.

111 posted on 02/09/2004 12:15:47 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: js1138
LOL!! Thanks. I heard that poem many years ago and have searched in vain for it ever since.
112 posted on 02/09/2004 12:45:06 PM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Socratic
Tom Lehrer Elemental ping!

Sing along with Tom!

113 posted on 02/09/2004 12:47:07 PM PST by whoozit
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To: PatrickHenry
Competition, sure. Genocide, no.

I'm at a loss to think of any species other than our own that has systematically set out to eliminate another species.

Certainly this happens inadvertently when a species is transported across a natural geographical barrier, but generally speaking, ecosystems are balanced. The existence of living creatures is irrefutable testimony that they have not been wiped out.

And mass extinctions seem to be tied to physical catastrophes.

114 posted on 02/09/2004 12:51:14 PM PST by js1138
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To: John H K
I'd like a paleontologist in 2004 to show me one example, from the tons of existing fossil record, of the intermediary species between Ape and Man.

Given that Evolutionists insist we "evolved" from the Ape, surely there exists in the fossil record numerous examples of the translational species between Ape and Homo Erectus.

Or... is all this Evolution crap just a kind of Faith without any historical substantiation?

;-/

115 posted on 02/09/2004 12:53:26 PM PST by Gargantua (Liberals want to give away my freedoms.)
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To: Gargantua
I'd like a paleontologist in 2004 to show me one example, from the tons of existing fossil record, of the intermediary species between Ape and Man.

Human Ancestors
Comparison of all skulls

116 posted on 02/09/2004 1:04:12 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Gargantua
I'd like a paleontologist in 2004 to show me one example, from the tons of existing fossil record, of the intermediary species between Ape and Man.

Why, since you didn't look at it last time?

117 posted on 02/09/2004 1:34:32 PM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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To: Elsie; bondserv
Well Elsie, The spider monkey uses the tip of his tail as an opposable thumb, and he's from South America. No other monkeys over there, or anywhere, have "evolved" this neat trick. It's a mystery
118 posted on 02/09/2004 1:47:08 PM PST by Markofhumanfeet (That's okay. The scariest movie that I ever saw was The Silence of the Lambs)
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To: Elsie
I'ver heard that the DNA structure is merely a chemical way to encode information. Is that a pretty good layman's definition?

For layman purposes, instead of the word "information", replace it with the word "pattern" when you read it. It will give you a more intuitive sense of the mathematical usage.

Since everything is information, your question as stated doesn't quite make sense. I would say that DNA is a functional and semi-stable form of algorithmic information for the kinds of chemistries found on this planet. All non-trivial patterns can function as algorithmic machines, but the expression of such in an obvious functional manner is environment dependent. There is nothing special about DNA per se, and a multitude of other chemical systems would express equivalent functionality and form in similar environments.

119 posted on 02/09/2004 2:07:24 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: TradicalRC
Gee, nothing from the Nazis themselves on their beliefs, but from a bunch of folks with an axe to grind.

BTW, "Social Darwinism" has been most closely linked to laissez faire capitalism, not socialism (which, along with communism, if you actually think about it, are at odds with "survival of the fittest" and are, indeed, reactions to that concept).

120 posted on 02/09/2004 2:19:39 PM PST by Junior (No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
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