Kennewick Man Speaks

Seattle Times ^ | 2-7-2004

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Kennewick Man speaks

Kennewick Man has held onto his secrets for more than 9,000 years and now, finally, scientists will get a chance to be his voice.

This week, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals pushed the truths resting within the bones at the Burke Museum closer to the light with its decision that scientists can study them. The appeals court affirmed a lower-court decision that the Interior Department erred in its decision to give the bones to the Native American tribes that claim them as those of an ancestor. The government might appeal to the Supreme Court.

But the 9th Circuit's ruling explicitly concludes there is no evidence of a genetic or cultural link between Kennewick Man and the modern-day tribes. Former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt ruled the remains found on federal property should be given to the tribes under the federal repatriation law because the bones predated Columbus' 1492 landing in North America. The tribes, who want to bury the remains, argued Kennewick Man was their ancestor because their oral histories contained no migration stories.

But eight prominent scientists sued for the right to study Kennewick Man and shed light on the peopling of the Americas. Limited studies concluded the remains more closely resemble modern-day people in Polynesia or the Ainu of Japan than they do Native Americans. Experts say they also resemble those of other ancient bones found elsewhere in the Americas far from the Columbia River Basin and, some believe, a set of 25,000-year-old bones in China.

The court's rejection of the pre-Columbian rule has implications for the study of other ancient remains, including those of Pan Era Woman, a set of 12,000-year-old remains found on federal property in Texas. Kennewick Man is holding the door open so other ancient remains aren't buried with their secrets.

The Native American Graves and Repatriation Act is a good law designed to return remains and artifacts to tribes with which actual connections can be established. But as science suggested and a federal judge and appeals court concluded — Kennewick Man is in a different category.

He belongs to all of us.

[ThanhPhero]

Read 1421 by Gavin Menzies.

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The Samurai And The Ainu

Kennewick Man is believed to be related to the Ainu of Japan.

[balrog666]

Carbon dating is a fraud

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

Prove that baloney and win a Nobel prize!

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Are you familiar with the work of Gloria Farley? If you like Barry Fell, you'll like her too.

[Chris Talk]

I have read some of that. The Bering Strait hypothesis is so politically correct, so unassailable to scientists, that they simply REFUSE to see that the affinities are across the Atlantic, not the Pacific. Yes, ...Kennewick Man is somewhat similar to an Ainu, if by that you mean that he is strongly Caucasoid!

OTOH, he is probably more strongly similar to Jacques Chirac, since he is probably a descendant of Solutrean immigration from France, google for Cactus-Hill Virginia story.

[Chris Talk]

Yeah, I have her book, In Plain Sight. Also I have the Huyghe and Boland books. Also the Mertz book, Pale Ink.
And a few thousand others.

[ValerieUSA]

sheeeeesh... you're not without religion - you have a little g god: man

[Chris Talk]

Oh, I know a good one for you. A little paperback packed with goodies, called Celtic Discoveries in New England. Cover is green, stone chambers in USA just like in Europe.

A similar book about Quetzalcoatl in pink cover. Not by same author. Says he was an Icelandic priest IIRC.

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Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

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"since he is probably a descendant of Solutrean immigration from France, google for Cactus-Hill Virginia story."

The below linked thread his a nice update to this subject.

Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean?)

[Chris Talk]

Yeah, it is not explained how the very [east] coast of Florida, from Miami north to Camden County, Ga. was densely inhabited for some 10000 years before the interior of North America had (conventional wisdom) nobody, or (even today) said to be just a few stragglers. We have a ~40ft hill on the island, highest thing for a hundred miles in any direction, that is said to be nothing but the oyster shells from all those "(?)Indians" eating oysters all those years.

More forbidden thought: why did sabertooth tigers and mammoths and all those wonderful Ice Age Fauna keep on living in Florida right up until the time of Christ, when they had died out everywhere else in the world? You would have thought that, being cold adapted, they would have died out in Fla. FIRST.

That is where I am writing to you from BTW... A friend now dead who was a building contractor for the Kings Bay base and housing [Camden Co GA] there, had case after case in his home of beautifully polished flint and greenstone hand axes and the like, all he says from about 50 ft down, from our basically sealevel surface. We have no such rock, nor any rock at all, just sand or concrete...today. Also a friend who was digging a well for a trailer brought up a swatch of fabric from some 60 or 70 ft down, it was black and thick and very durable. They sent it to Gainesville and it was found to be made of human hair, very durable, but they would not do a c-l4 on it, I think because they were afraid of what they would find out.

[Chris Talk]

I was ahead of everybody, in my 6th grade geography book I changed the page where it said the Indians came from Siberia, by blocking out the S and changing it to "IBERIA."

By the way, on the origin of the Indians the excellent book from the 19th century by Rev Lang of Australia. What a character, sailed round the world eight times by sail alone, and visited Van Buren in the White House and the Cherokee on the Trail of Tears.

[Chris Talk]

Your article about Florida contains a glaring error, it talks about the Windover site at Melbourne, but says that is in BROWARD county! Broward County is Ft Lauderdale and that region.

...Brevard Co, not Broward! For all that it is probably one of the best sites in the New World for ancient man, and there are several other very good ones down the beach line too. Even in those primitive days, beach property was in demand and at a premium.

Melbourne and the Windover site are in BREVARD County, which also contains the Cape Canaveral facility and the county seat at Titusville, etc.

[Momaw Nadon]

[RightWingAtheist]

(;^=(

What is that supposed to be, a Hitler smiley?

Well here's a Reagan smiley: ?:?=)

[RightWingAtheist]

Nope...I am not a secular humanist, because I place no faith in the ability of people or governments to solve all our problems, nor do I believe that man is innately "good". My conservatism is based on an unyielding stare in the face of reality, and saying "OK, this is how things are, and we have to face the fact that they aren't always what we want them to be".

[Chris Talk]

But that just says that you are a PESSIMISTIC, or to be exact, not-necessarily-OPtimistic, Secular Humanist.

Anyone who believes/assumes Man is the highest of the beings is a secular humanist.

[Pharmboy]

All right...point taken, but look it my guy's cheekbones.

[Chris Talk]

The whole skeleton of Kennewick Man is powerfully not just Caucasoid, but Europoid! It betrays no sign of being of the Oriental or Mongoloid race, and is NOTHING like an American Indian or mix of that either, not mixed, not like a Caucasian/Amerind or Caucasian/Oriental mixed race.

The affinities are to France, Spain, perhaps Armenia or Turkey...?

[Pharmboy]

That is indeed what it seems (ie, what you said), although all the answers are not in. Didn't the Ainu supposedly originate in Europe and not Asia?