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Austria Claims To Have Invented Tartan Kilts
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| 2-1-2004
Posted on 02/01/2004 12:08:13 PM PST by blam
Austria claims to have invented tartan kilts
Tartan kilts have become fashionable in Austria after archaeologists claimed the country invented them.
Many Austrian stores are now selling "traditional Austrian" kilts and sporrans as well as lederhosen.
The Austrian claim is based on the discovery of what they claim is the oldest piece of tartan in the world.
The host of the Austrian version of Who Wants to be a Millionaire is the latest convert to the trend. Armin Assinger turned up at the studio wearing one of the Carinthian kilts.
Thomas Rettl, whose clothing company is based close to where scraps from the original Celtic kilt were found, said: "Ever since we found out that Austria was the true home to tartan we have been doing a roaring trade.
"It was found not in Scotland but in a place called Molzbichl in Carinthia in Austria. The Celts who conquered
Scotland originally came from Europe, which would back our claim to have had the kilt first.
"The tartan sample found in Austria was dated to at least 320 years BC - over 1,600 years earlier than the oldest Scottish tartan which was made in 1,300 AD."
Mr Rettl said armed with the knowledge that the kilt was actually Austria's traditional costume, he and his fellow Austrian tailors had decided to make a kilt and since then many others had copied the trend.
"We worked with a Scottish firm in the Borders to get the necessary expertise but the kilt is an Austrian design and we use the best materials from around the world - our kilts are better quality than many in Scotland.
"The success of the Carinthian kilt in particular has surprised even me. I am hoping to sell more in Scotland as well and in recognition of our shared Celtic past with the Scots I am making a deer leather kilt - a mixture of a tartan cloth and a pair of lederhosen."
The Scottish Tartans Authority says it's not in the least bit surprising that traces of tartan were found in Austria.
Brian Wilton said the oldest tartan authenticated was found in China 500 years before the time of Tutankhanum.
Story filed: 10:50 Tuesday 27th January 2004
TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: archaeology; austria; celts; claims; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; invented; kilts; scotland; tartan
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The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummies The Tocharians found in the Tarim Basin of China had tartan and pants in 2,000BC...4,000 miles and 1,000 years older than those found at Halstadt, Austria
Pants were invented by the Tocharians after the domestication of the horse, the oldest known pants are dated to this group.
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posted on
02/01/2004 12:08:15 PM PST
by
blam
To: farmfriend
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posted on
02/01/2004 12:12:13 PM PST
by
blam
To: blam
The kilt, I believe, was created by Hans MacSchwartzkopf.
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posted on
02/01/2004 12:16:57 PM PST
by
curmudgeonII
(Keep New Orleans green. Bring ,money when you visit.)
To: blam
Someone should notify the European Council straightaway.
To: blam
It's been a while since I read Barber's book, but didn't she reference older textiles with a similar weave (twill) from somewhere in the Middle East, IIRC Anatolia? But the color of the cloth wasn't plaid.
To: blam
Austria claims to have invented tartan kilts oh great!. yet another claimant to that invention. the lawyers are going to be the only winners in this fight!
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posted on
02/01/2004 12:23:13 PM PST
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the invisib1e hand
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To: curmudgeonII
And MacSchwarzenegger wasn't far behind.
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posted on
02/01/2004 12:25:47 PM PST
by
xp38
To: CobaltBlue
"It's been a while since I read Barber's book, but didn't she reference older textiles with a similar weave (twill) from somewhere in the Middle East, IIRC Anatolia? But the color of the cloth wasn't plaid." She compared them directly to the Celtic fabrics found at Halstadt. They are exactly like those at Haldstat, material, mfg technique, color, weave style and etc...1,000 years and 4,000 miles apart.
I think all the Caucasian folks out in that region were refugees from the Black Sea flood (Noah's Flood?) in 5,600BC.
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posted on
02/01/2004 12:27:35 PM PST
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blam
To: blam
Austria claims to have invented tartan kilts Well I don't know about all Austrian's, but those around Vienna, Salzburg and Innsbruck drink a lot!
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posted on
02/01/2004 12:32:29 PM PST
by
HoustonCurmudgeon
(PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
To: CobaltBlue
5,300 year old
Otzi (The Ice Man) wasn't wearing tartan. (He was found in the Alps)
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posted on
02/01/2004 12:35:46 PM PST
by
blam
To: blam
"Austria claims to have invented tartan kilts"
I think they just want to look like girls.
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posted on
02/01/2004 1:04:59 PM PST
by
fini
To: blam
Ötzi doesn't look Celtic to me. Definitely Germanic.
To: blam
HISTORY OF HIGHLAND DRESS - MAINLY THE KILT
http://www.scottish-history.com/kilt.shtml This form of dress may have existed earlier, but there is no sign of it before 1725. It is a severe shock to many people to find that the "little kilt's originator may well have been an Englishman, one Rawlinson, who was employed as the manager of an iron smelting works in Lochaber who adapted it, to allow more freedom of movement for his workers. (Probably so they could work faster being the concerned English they were). Be that as it may, it is this form of garment which is now firmly taken as being the kilt.
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02/01/2004 1:06:56 PM PST
by
DUMBGRUNT
(Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
To: blam
It's not unreasonable. The Celts that settled Scotland, Ireland, Wales, and NW France probably came from Switzerland and Austria when they were pushed out by invading hordes from the SE.
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posted on
02/01/2004 1:48:04 PM PST
by
expatpat
To: blam
I was kind of hoping this would tell what was worn UNDER the kilt.
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posted on
02/01/2004 3:54:55 PM PST
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Maria S
("I will do whatever the Americans want…I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid." Gaddafi, 9/03)
To: Maria S
As my husband says, "Nothing worn under the kilt, ma'am! Everything in excellent condition!"
To: Maria S
I was kind of hoping this would tell what was worn UNDER the kilt. Shoes.
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02/01/2004 6:24:28 PM PST
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Eala
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posted on
02/02/2004 12:19:52 AM PST
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farmfriend
( Isaiah 55:10,11)
To: farmfriend
Hmmmmmmmmmm....
To: fini
I think they just want to look like girls. If you ever go to Scotland, I would recommend against saying this to any kilt-wearing men you encounter .
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posted on
02/02/2004 6:29:54 AM PST
by
Modernman
("The details of my life are quite inconsequential...." - Dr. Evil)
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