Who says George W. Bush has done "nothing" for conservatives?

WhiteHouse.gov; various news sources ^ | 1/27/04

[Wolfstar]

[ED. NOTE: In the last few months, FReeper Southack put together a list of Bush administration achievements over its first three years in office, and tirelessly posted it whenever an opportunity presented itself. Southack gave me permission to take that list, organize it by topics, and enhance it with further research from whitehouse.gov and other sources. This thread is posted in gratitude to and in honor of Southack.]

Abortion & Traditional Values

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
   
2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
   
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
   
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
   
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
   
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.
    

Budget, Taxes & Economy

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
   
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
   
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.
   
7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
   
8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.
   
9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
   
10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.
    
11. Signed trade promotion authority.
    
12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.
18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

Character & Conduct as President

1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

• Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."
  
  
• On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation:
  
  

Education & Employment Training

1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.
   
2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)
4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to to become teachers.
   

Environment & Energy

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
   
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
   
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
   
7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
   
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.
   

Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Qaida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaida leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaida leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.
   
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
   
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
   
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
   
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
   
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
   
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
    
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
    
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
    
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.

Globalization & Internationalism

1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
   
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
   
3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."
   

Government Reform

1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
   
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
   
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.
   

Health

1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

• A 10-year privatization option.
• Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.
  
• More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.
  
• New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.
  

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
   
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
   
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
   
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
   
9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.

Judiciary & Tort Reform

1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
   
2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
   
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
   
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

Politics

1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
   
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.
   

Second Amendment

1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
   
3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
   
4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.
   

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."
   
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
   
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
   
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6. Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
   
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:

• Equal Justice
  
• Freedom of Speech
  
• Limited Government Power
  
• Private Property Rights
  
• Religious Tolerance
  
• Respect for Women
  
• Rule of Law

[StoneColdGOP]

Karl Rove is NOT involved! Why do some of you choose to believe that Karl Rove is the boogey man behind everything you don't like? He is a very busy man and does not run Congressional campaigns -- doesn't have time. Not to mention in his job in the White House, he is not permitted to do a lot of things he is accused of doing.

Because Rove is involved. Any political advisor worth his salt has his hand in more projects than it evident on the surface. And just because someone is not permitted to engage in activity doesn't mean it won't happen. Republicans and Democrats are both guilty of that.

As for his time, Rove spent a great deal of time ensuring that the California Republican Party's activist-volunteer base was unseated and that the power in the CRP was given to the Board of Directors, a body led by Bush's handpicked viceroy Gerry Parsky. It was Parsky's job to quell (conservative) dissent and "professionalize" (water down) the volunteer and conservative strength of the Party.

Why would Rove or anyone else want Tancredo challenged when he can win another election? They want Republicans not mind numbed robots in the House. Going against Tancredo could cost them a seat and they would NEVER do that! They favor incumbents if you haven't taken the time to check and last I checked Tancredo was an incumbent!

Simple, he wants an adeherent to the Bush Code of Loyalty. Tancredo speaks the truth and isn't afraid of someone just because he's the Party's de facto leader. And, Tancredo's seat is safe Republican, anybody who wins the nomination goes to Congress.

Rove would consider Tancredo's ouster an addition to the loyal numbers of Bush House Republicans that would go along with amnesty, overspending, etc.

[George W. Bush]

Karl Rove is NOT involved! Why do some of you choose to believe that Karl Rove is the boogey man behind everything you don't like?

This is thread is not the place to review it but you should look back on what happened to the conservatives on the Texas state school board. And they weren't the only ones.

Most have forgotten about it. But I haven't.

Yes, Rove can do it. What do you think a political adviser does anyway?

[arasina]

Here's a MINI-ZOT for you.

[onyx]

Let me see if I have this right.

President Bush doesn't deserve re-election because:

1. of his recent immigration PROPOSAL.

2. TRUE CONSERVATIVES are upset over his "BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDING"

3. He wasn't honest with us over CFR.

4. SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE said he will strenuously push for a more restrictive AWB.

Do I have it?

I only ask because this thread lists 119 individual accomplishments.

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I think you've got it right! And, Neets, one more thang --

this is not an immigration thread, despite attempts to hijack it.

[TruthNtegrity]

This is good stuff. Thanks for the ping.

I copied it out into a document on my PC as sometimes, I just can't get to a thread on FR.

This will supply LOTS of ammunition for the crowd that lists 2 or 3 things they think the President has done for Conservatives, that ends with a big "BUT" and on and on they go.

Now I can reply with numerous positives for every argument they have against the President.

This is going to be a very long election year, but I feel that there are those of us who are getting ready.

[Ophiucus]

Not to mention the Hopewell and Adena trading with the Anasazi right here on this continent........

LOL...ok, so what's this evil globalization? I'm going to start looking for guys in old surplus gas masks.....

[Southack]

"He proposed to legalize millions of Illegal Aliens. Doesn't matter how the hairs are split, it's an Amnesty, just like the last big one."

I realize that this is your core issue, and I grant that you make valid points regarding this issue...

But you are misusing the word "amnesty."

You might as well label every plea bargain between every local prosecutor and crook as "amnesty" as to abuse the word so with regard to Bush's illegal alien registration plan.

Bush's plan, while much maligned, would give us something that we *don't* have today: 8 million Registered illegals.

You don't gain such institutional government knowlege cheaply, either. Bush had to give something up to entice illegals to Register themselves. Some posters on this forum even claim that Bush hasn't given up enough to entice very many illegals to register (an interesting complaint, really).

Once registered, illegals can be dealt with en masse. On the other hand, trying to come up with the resources required to locate 8 million crooks who are all anonymous and who are all on the lam (as are these illegals) would be quite an undertaking (and rounding them up into internment camps would make earlier European WW2 efforts seem small in contrast and in terms of bad publicity).

But with Bush's plea bargain, illegals can pay their fine, register, and then they get a blue card and the right to work here for 3 years. Of course, they have to deport themselves at the end of that period in order to apply for more time here...and Bush's plan gives them the incentive to do that, as well as establishes a Registry that will aid our law enforcement in rounding up those who don't comply.

That's hardly "amnesty." Sure, there might be better ways to deal with illegals, but this plan isn't all bad...and it isn't a completely free amnesty.

[alnick]

Is there more government surveilance of my activities or less?

It's pretty safe to assume that the level of government surveillance of your activities has remained the same -- zero.

[Tamzee]

The number one issue in this election is national security. We are at war with a group of Islamic terrorists who want to destroy this nation and Western Civilization. Not one of the democrats (except possibly Lieberman) would prosecute the war on terror, and Lieberman isn't going to get the nomination.

To elect a democrat means we lose Cheney, Rice, and RUMNSFELD. It means we have the horrible Rat appointees in all cabinet positions, such as a Janet Reno type as Attorney General. It means that we will have a democrat for Secretary of State, and if you don't think Bill Clinton wants that job, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

I do not want another Ruth Bader Ginsberg appointed to the Supreme Court. I don't want a Sandy Berger type asNational Security Advisor. I don't want to see taxes raised, the UN kissed up to, and France appeased.

I want the military funded and not turned into a social experiment. I want my grandchildren to be able to worship at their Lutheran church and I don't want my granddaughters wearing burkhas!!

Spending and domestic policy can be reversed by future Coongressional action. Foreign policy and defense actions, on the other hand, are controlled exclusively by the executive branch, and a Rat in charge would risk the safety of this nation.

I support the President, I am proud to, and I think those who are threatening to go third party or stay home are supporting the Rats, willingly or not. It is a foolish and dangerous position.

I agree, LucyJo... these comments by Miss Marple speak for many of us. Thank you, Miss Marple, for expressing our sentiments with such eloquence :-)

[GailA]

Mine too, I just may have to get some Iron on transfer paper and make me a T shirt out of it.

[Neets]

Quite an intellectually honest post SH.

Very good.

If we don't start tackling the illegal aliens sooner, rather than later, or regretably no do anything about it at all, it can only get worse.

How else to explain the 8 million illegals we have now?

[Wolfstar]

Ever talk to someone who lives near the border?

I live in the Los Angeles area. I am more than familiar with the problems caused by illegal immigration. I am opposed to the President's proposal. Nevertheless, illegal immigration is not a central focus for me as it is for you and others who post on this forum. I will proudly cast my vote for Bush-Cheney come November.

[LucyJo]

Thank you, Wolfstar, and thank you once again for providing the organized compilation of facts.

[Sabertooth]

But you are misusing the word "amnesty."

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That's hardly "amnesty." Sure, there might be better ways to deal with illegals, but this plan isn't all bad...and it isn't a completely free amnesty.

I edited the part where you misused the term "plea bargain," because we've been over that.

Wanted to get to the part at the end: "it isn't a completely free amnesty."

I've never said it was.

Amnesties don't have to be "completely free" to be Amnesties.

Amnesties frequently have conditions, those are called "conditional Amnesties."

The conditions of the Bush Amnesty are very close to the conditions of the Reagan Amnesty.

[PhiKapMom]

I do have one for you that I thought was funny and shows how the Democrats are going into other States pretending to be from there.

These three Clark people show up at my door (stupid state moved their primary up to 3 Feb), I looked at their badges and said no way. The female says who are you going to vote for in the Democrat primary? I looked at her like what? I said we are a Republican household -- all of us are registered as Republicans. She says "No you are not! It says right here on this page you are a Democrat." I about dropped and then told her to get a new list of registered voters. She said it was unnecessary because no one in my precinct supported Bush the selected President anyways. At that point I asked them where they were from -- they gave the wrong proununication of the town, so I said where are you REALLY from? Finally the guy admitted NY.

I almost went ballistic. I told them in no uncertain terms (not very ladylike) to go back to NY and tell Hillary what I thought of her and her candidate. They left immediately! I guess they are going to mark me down as a NO for Clark!

That means we have out of state people from the RATs (NY) pretending to be from Oklahoma.

Figure the Republicans for Dean group are the same way. Actually if there are such Republicans wish they would become Democrats.

[Ophiucus]

Seems to me a general conservative principle is a preference for as much localized control as possible, and the least diffusion of power to remote institutions as possible.

That sounds close to the basis of libertarian-conservatism. A federal-conservatism would be strong but limited central control with all else deferred to localized control.

But I see where you're going with limited federal control, limited global control.

Kyoto, the UN, and the ICC would be examples of Globalism opposed by conservatism.

Ok, I can see that. But are you leaving out the 'global' corporations and trade? And where would NATO fit in?

[Sabertooth]

If we don't start tackling the illegal aliens sooner, rather than later, or regretably no do anything about it at all, it can only get worse.

How else to explain the 8 million illegals we have now?

The Reagan Amnesty.

How do you explain these incoming Illegals...?

In the San Diego sector of the border "we have two to three times the number we had a few weeks ago," Senior Border Patrol Agent Shawn Moran told HUMAN EVENTS. Moran is spokesman for the local San Diego chapter of the National Border Patrol Council, the patrolmen's union.

"In one place, we have eight times," said Moran.

Asked if this could just be a seasonal increase, Moran replied, "We usually get something of an increase at this time of year, but nothing like this." The trend showed no signs of abating, he said.

Moran says he is certain Bush's plan is motivating the illegal aliens who have caused the spike in illegal border crossings. "Because 95% of the people we're catching say that's why," Moran said. "They say they're coming for the amnesty. A lot of these people have not been caught before. They have no immigration histories."

Moran also said the Bush proposal has caused a change in the urgency and demography of illegal border crossers. "We're catching them repeatedly throughout the week," Moran said. "They're desperate to get this amnesty even though we told them it's only a proposal. . . . We're catching more women and children than we have since 1999."
Bush's Amnesty Plan Triggers Jump in Illegal Immigration
HUMAN EVENTS (FR link) - January 27, 2004 - Joseph A. D'Agostino

[Wolfstar]

Southack, re your #607, brilliantly stated. Thanks for teaching me some things about the President's proposal that I didn't know. The House is not going to touch this issue with a 10-foot pole this year, but the registry idea does sound like a good one.

[George W. Bush]

But notice it was about the Republican primaries where we all got in flame wars. It was Republican against Republican for the most part especially after Pat went to Reform.

Absolutely. I think I'm about the only one who stayed Republican but then, voter registration is meaningless here anyway. In the end, only a few of the Brigade voted Pat. The rest of us voted Bush and worked the Floriduh thing with everyone else, Buchanan's nasty attempt to argue that his Floriduh votes actually belonged to Gore being the final straw(!!!). Along with the impeachment, those were FR's finest moments actually.

Republicans don't have a real primary this time around but some of these posters never show up on the threads about the Democrat candidates and trash them. That is where it looks really odd -- only trash Pres Bush but no DemocRATs.

I probably don't get around enough to notice. But then, without our own primary or a threat to gun rights, people have to have something to do. FR is, by its nature and entire history, combative. We...um...tend to attract a certain type of voter/activist, if you hadn't noticed.

As to your other remarks, I think the greater threat to Bush and especially to downstream candidates will not be third-party or crossovers. It'll be the stay-homes, 3 million in 2000 and a number that keeps growing among the GOP base according to Rove. I keep telling myself I don't have a good reason to vote since Bush will take my state (or at least my congressional district) anyway and the state candidate I hate most is going to win the governorship if he even hints he wants it. But by fall, I'll have a burr up my butt about something and race to the polls to vote against something, certain that the fate of the free world hangs upon it. But then, I don't ever end up voting for anyone unless I see something positive in it, otherwise, it's a blank ballot, something that shocks the old people who count the votes. But they only whisper among themselves and I wouldn't care if it was open-ballot instead of secret-ballot anyway. I don't give a crap what anyone else thinks of my voting.

Uh-oh. Getting a little too honest here.

[nopardons]

BRAVO !

Your responses to this thread, have all been pricise, well said, factual, and spot on. :-)