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1 posted on 01/25/2004 11:58:01 AM PST by Clive
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2 posted on 01/25/2004 11:58:19 AM PST by Clive
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"A few weeks after 9/11, Hamza Yusuf, an American-born Muslim and religious scholar, publicly scolded his co-religionists, "If you hate the West, emigrate to a Muslim country"

and this guy is still breathing?? amazing.
3 posted on 01/25/2004 12:01:28 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: Clive
BUMP
4 posted on 01/25/2004 12:01:52 PM PST by nuconvert ( It's a naive domestic Burgundy without any breeding, ..I think you'll be amused by its presumption)
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To: Clive
>>The troubling question is why so many North Americans remain in denial of the plentiful evidence of this war in progress.<<

We'll be jolted out of our denial soon enough. And it won't be pretty. God help us if we don't wake up.


5 posted on 01/25/2004 12:07:06 PM PST by Humidston (Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
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To: risk
Bloody borders, the enemy within and those will not see Ping.
6 posted on 01/25/2004 12:07:41 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Clive
"The reduction of faith into a political ideology by Muslim fundamentalists was a deliberate program of wrecking Islam's message of peace and coexistence, and out of that wreckage, to shape a weapon of hate and war."

Got clue! Islam has been, since its inception, a weapon of hate and war. Any notion of a "kinder, gentler" Islam is just a facade. ALL Muslims plan to conquer the world for their religion, and convert or kill everyone who disagrees with their poisonous "religion".

7 posted on 01/25/2004 12:08:45 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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-Islam, a Religion of Peace®? Some links...--
8 posted on 01/25/2004 12:11:44 PM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Clive
This article is based on wishful thinking that Islam has within it the yearning for freedom and cultural advancement common to mankind through the ages--it doesn't. It has within it the mandate to possess, destroy and replace everything non-Muslim with itself. It is an unworkable system because, like Communism, it is based on a lie and denial/repression of what is noble in human nature.

We are in a war and some Muslims are ambivalent as to how to fight this war. In the end Islam will be vanquished because it is a system which destroys the soul and binds the mind from even questioning its own validity.
9 posted on 01/25/2004 12:17:10 PM PST by fatidic
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http://www.prophetofdoom.net

There is but one Islam, a singular correct view of Muhammad, his religion, and his god. It is the one found in the Qur’an and Hadith. There is no independent record of Muhammad in history from which a variant view may be drawn. The Hadith and Qur’an are the sole repository of information on this man, his times, means, and mission. The Muhammad of Islam, the god of Islam, and the religion of Islam must be as these sources present them. Prophet of Doom is dedicated to exposing Islam’s scriptures and what Muhammad had to say about himself, his ambition, religion, and god

The Evidence is written in their own book i truly don't think that most muslims understand what they are following but I've been wrong before so maybe its time for them to prove they don't believe this way !

If you boubt the words are there read it and understand that this is truly an evil religion [cult] with real one world order results !!

10 posted on 01/25/2004 12:18:14 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I may never have the Courage to say some words but i will always have it to say what i believe !!!)
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To: Clive
" The troubling question is why so many North Americans remain in denial of the plentiful evidence of this war in progress. "

The continued feminiation of western males and the never ending "quest" of americans in general to wanna be loved by everyone; one and all. Thats the real reason this war is not being acknowledged as it should be and prosecuted to its fullest.

Whether your religious or not doesn't matter to this enemy, anyone not muslim is their enemy and must be destroyed. It's a religious war no matter how profoundly vulgar and distastefull that term is too "modern sophisticated americans". In fact our greatest enemy in this war is not muslim its our inability to recognise that in this case tolerance will lead to defeat.

11 posted on 01/25/2004 12:24:44 PM PST by Kakaze
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FALSE PREMISE ALERT

Islam has no soul. It is a fake religion dreamed up by a charlatan hundreds and indeed thousands of years after the true 'world religions' were founded and developed. It is a cult just as is Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses.

Indeed the same thing could be said of Christianity. Hinduism and judaism are the only truly ancient religions and if God 'is' ... he is indeed ancient. Of all the offshoot cults one can make excuses for Christianity as it is actually reformed judaism where the others (budhism) are more heretical if not wholly corrupt in nature.

Christianity holds to everything that is judaic and adds only one precept that is nowhere forbidden in the original writings. That God could come down to earth in the form of a man. Islam rewrites the much older Torah and accompanying texts at will and with abandon.

Islam is wholly corrupted Judaism and this is textually provable. Their manuscripts have been endlessly rewritten and they have nothing like the Dead Sea Scrolls to verify their claims. Indeed, Islam can be anything the differing schism want it to be. The same cannot be said of Christianity because the original text can be examined whereas islam has many differing texts and none truly ancient or able to make the calim of 'very close' to the original.

It is a religion that cannot withstand modern thought or criticism. It wholly depends on an illiterate and unquestioning population to thrive. This is why the Moslem must hate the westerner. The West is death to Islam for it brings science. Science will easily pick apart the flimsy fabric of Islam and expose it as the childish heresy of Judaism it has always been.
12 posted on 01/25/2004 12:32:28 PM PST by mercy
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Broadly speaking, Muslims may be divided into two unequal groups. The larger body shares a common perspective of Islam as a personal faith. Its devotion to Muslim teachings and traditions remains in harmony with its wish to assimilate the values of democracy, individual rights and science, which define the modern world.

Baloney. They want to enjoy the benefits of living in a civilization while sympathetic to those actively planning to destroy it.

The second group, a minority in numbers, has "nationalized" Islam as a collective identity, where faith matters little and politics, driven by rage and resentment of the modern world, becomes the measure for testing a Muslim as "loyal" in a society dominated by a politically defined religion.

They want to enjoy the benefits of living in a civilization while they are actively planning to destroy it

Their are two groups of Muslims who "wish to assimilate the values of democracy, individual rights and science, which define the modern world": (1) those who are completely secularized and either don't know or care what their faith teaches; and (2) those who have so completely redefined their faith that they are considered "heretics" by most of their fellow Muslims.

13 posted on 01/25/2004 12:32:36 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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"What you are witnessing is why Sept. 11 amounts to World War III - the third great totalitarian challenge to open societies in the last 100 years."

You could arguably refer to the Cold War as World War III. This, the literal clash of civilizations, is World War IV. What's on the line is our entire Western civilization and our battle is against ALL of our enemies - foreign AND domestic.

14 posted on 01/25/2004 12:35:32 PM PST by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: Clive
Broadly speaking, Muslims may be divided into two unequal groups. The larger body shares a common perspective of Islam as a personal faith. Its devotion to Muslim teachings and traditions remains in harmony with its wish to assimilate the values of democracy, individual rights and science, which define the modern world.

And this is the only alternative to islamic fundamentalism?

There's always Torah and the Final Redemption, but I guess anyone who believes in them is "as bad as 'Al Qaida" in the liberal mind.

And by the way, do any conservatives who talk this way about islam (demanding it become only a "personal faith") realize how hypocritical they sound?

Islam cannot be tamed. It is a false religion and should disappear. So should the ideology of the "enlightenment."

17 posted on 01/25/2004 12:51:59 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's Laws or NONE!!! (And Kahana' tzadaq!))
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Islam has no soul. It was started by a mad man who practiced pedophila and who believed in maiming and murdering his enemies. I see no difference between Islam and La Cosa Nostra save the ethnicity of the original practitioners of each.
18 posted on 01/25/2004 12:53:50 PM PST by Thor_Hammar
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The title is interesting. I don't believe that islam has a soul.
19 posted on 01/25/2004 12:55:39 PM PST by freeangel (freeangel)
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The troubling question is why so many North Americans remain in denial of the plentiful evidence of this war in progress.

Because Americans generally follow the rule of law, until one more attack in the US.

21 posted on 01/25/2004 1:06:43 PM PST by alrea (let's go back to when liberalism meant freedom from central authority)
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To: Clive
having crushed Muslim dissent within their respective Middle Eastern societies, these fundamentalists set forth to intimidate and silence Muslims living in the West

might help explain why those in the west were silent after 911.

22 posted on 01/25/2004 1:08:27 PM PST by alrea (let's go back to when liberalism meant freedom from central authority)
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This recent FR thread has a far more realistic take on islam:

The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations

26 posted on 01/25/2004 1:20:45 PM PST by Freebird Forever
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