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Jonah Goldberg:'Bush lied' and the lying liars who perpetuate it
Townhall ^ | January 16, 2004 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/16/2004 4:22:40 PM PST by jmstein7

Sen. Ted Kennedy gave another one of his angry speeches this week. With all the gravitas he could muster, he recycled his standard complaint: that the Iraq war was never really about WMDs or the war on terror. It was a "political product" from "Day 1" of the president's administration.

This echoes Kennedy's earlier diatribes, like last fall when he said, "Before the war, week after week after week after week, we were told lie after lie after lie after lie."

Personally, I think Kennedy's an embarrassment to his party. But that doesn't change the fact that he's taken seriously or that he speaks for a large constituency. So let's try to deal with the "Kennedy School's" view of the Iraq war.

First let me admit that I think the failure to find significant evidence of weapons of mass destruction easily constitutes one of the greatest intelligence blunders since Pearl Harbor. There's still a chance we'll find something. But if we do, it will probably be too little, too late to change this basic assessment.

Critics of the Bush Administration are probably cheering, "Finally! Goldberg's stopped drinking the White House's Kool-Aid!"

But hold on. To argue that this was a huge intelligence blunder is to largely let George Bush off the hook for the even-more-popular Bush critique: that he lied to the American people about Iraq.

For Bush to have lied, he had to have known that there were no WMDs, right? It's not a lie unless you know the truth. If you say something you think is true that later turns out to be false, we don't call that a "lie," we call that a "mistake."

You could look it up.

This vital distinction seems to be lost on many smart people. For example, the online magazine Slate has been hosting an interesting discussion among the most respected and prominent liberals who supported the Iraq war. The question before them, more or less, is whether they regret it. Some do. Some don't. Most hold positions awash in shades of gray.

One of those is Kenneth Pollack, the former Clinton NSC staffer and author of the hugely influential book, "The Threatening Storm." Pollack's book was the most coherent and sustained case for the war from any quarter. Slate's round-robin is timed to coincide with a must-read cover story in the current issue of The Atlantic in which Pollack tries to figure out where he - and we - went wrong on WMDs.

Anyway, Pollack tells Slate, "If I had to write 'The Threatening Storm' over again I certainly would not have been so unequivocal that war was going to be a necessity."

In response, George Packer, a prominent liberal hawk, says, "Ken Pollack should be congratulated: How many leading voices on this issue have subjected themselves to such honest criticism? What he got wrong he got wrong because the intelligence was mistaken. What the administration got wrong it got wrong because it didn't care about the intelligence."

This encapsulates pretty much everything that's wrong with even the White House's most respected critics: a nearly total inability to consider the possibility that this administration operated in good faith.

Packer says Pollack's mistake was based on the best intelligence available; however, Bush & Co are a bunch of bloodthirsty ideologues or greedy liars or both.

Unfortunately, there are too many anti-Bush slanders out there to count, let alone debunk, but they are all premised on the "fact" that Bush lied.

But nobody has made a remotely persuasive case that Bush lied. The German, Russian, French, Israeli, British, Chinese and U.S. governments all agreed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. The German assessment was even more dire than our own. They were convinced Saddam would have a nuclear weapon by 2005.

Bill Clinton and his entire administration believed Saddam had WMDs. In 2002 Robert Einhorn, Clinton's point man on WMDs, testified to Congress, "Today, or at most within a few months, Iraq could launch missile attacks with chemical or biological weapons against its neighbors" including our 100,000 troops in Saudi Arabia.

The threat - chemical, biological and nuclear - against U.S. territory proper was only a few years away, according to Einhorn. Dick Gephardt, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, Wesley Clark, Joe Lieberman, Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton, Jacques Chirac, Gerhard Schroeder: all of these people believed Iraq had major stockpiles of WMDs.

Were they all "liars" like President Bush? No? Why not?

You can't have it both ways. You can't say Bush lied while others who said the same thing were being honest. The White House was operating with fundamentally identical information to that of Clinton, Pollack and Einhorn. What was different was that this White House needed to deal with the post-9/11 world.

Maybe that clouded Bush's judgment - or opened his eyes. Let's have that argument. I certainly believe mistakes were made (though I still believe the war was right and just). But if you start from Kennedy's premise that the WMD thing was made up, I can't take you seriously.

Jonah Goldberg is editor of National Review Online, a Townhall.com member group.


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KEYWORDS: bush; bushlied; jonahgoldberg; kennedy; lie; lied; lies; swimmer; teddy; truth
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1 posted on 01/16/2004 4:22:41 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Deja moooooo.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058996/posts
2 posted on 01/16/2004 4:23:56 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (The only good news for Democrats is they could save $$ by switching to Geico.)
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To: Mich0127
BUMP!
3 posted on 01/16/2004 4:25:58 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: Keith in Iowa
Haven't people figured out that there are only a select few sources that must be "excerpted"? Townhall.com is not one of those sources... they like FR debates on their pieces.
4 posted on 01/16/2004 4:27:26 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Sen. Ted Kennedy ... who?
5 posted on 01/16/2004 4:28:18 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: jmstein7
It's not a lie unless you know the truth. If you say something you think is true that later turns out to be false, we don't call that a "lie," we call that a "mistake."

If this simple concept is disavowed by the Left, then we are free to say that any politician who flip-flops on an issue was lying then or is lying now.

-PJ

6 posted on 01/16/2004 4:30:05 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: jmstein7
Personally, I think Kennedy's an embarrassment to his party. But that doesn't change the fact that he's taken seriously or that he speaks for a large constituency. So let's try to deal with the "Kennedy School's" view of the Iraq war.

The only reason Teddy's still around is that he doesn't pose much of a threat to anyone. He doesn't pose a threat to anyone's wife as his brother Jack did and he doesn't pose a threat to anyone's criminal enterprise as his brother Bobby did, though, of course, these weren't the reasons they were taken out. Still, they demonstrate that the other two had at least a bit more of something going on upstairs than reverberating echoes and downstairs than a washtub of swinging gut.
7 posted on 01/16/2004 4:32:23 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
Yes Senator Kennedy. The state of Assachussetts has what some consider a murderer for a Senator.
Another double standard according to where one lives. Janklow was convicted and should leave,Kennedy's incident was covered up and he can make speeches about others. Scum is too nice of word for a piece of crap like Kennedy.The whale without a tale.
8 posted on 01/16/2004 4:33:27 PM PST by gunnedah
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To: jmstein7
If there was a misconception about WMD, it was perpetuated by Saddam. He didn't want the world to know he was toothless, even at the risk of war with the U.S. The war itself was Saddam's miscalculation.
9 posted on 01/16/2004 4:34:38 PM PST by Spok
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To: Political Junkie Too
If this simple concept is disavowed by the Left, then we are free to say that any politician who flip-flops on an issue was lying then or is lying now.

Franken's "book" equates interpretation of policy and data that differs from Leftist orthodoxy with "lying".

10 posted on 01/16/2004 4:35:03 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: jmstein7
You can't say Bush lied while others who said the same thing were being honest.

I guess Jonah doesn't know who he's dealing with yet?

11 posted on 01/16/2004 4:35:20 PM PST by Gumption
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
You know, the fat, drunken, red faced Senator for Mass.
12 posted on 01/16/2004 4:36:49 PM PST by caisson71
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To: aruanan
The only reason Teddy's still around is that he doesn't pose much of a threat to anyone.

They took away his drivers license?

13 posted on 01/16/2004 4:39:13 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: jmstein7
Another thing that doesn't make sense about the "Bush lied" accusation.

If he knew Iraq had no WMDs, why do they think he didn't just bring his own along for the troops to "find?"

Of course, if they had found WMDs, or still do, that is exactly what many will claim?
14 posted on 01/16/2004 4:40:03 PM PST by Restorer
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To: aruanan
these weren't the reasons they were taken out.

In such dramatic circumstances in such potentially unreliable ways with RISK to the public and RISK at being seen? C'mon ...

15 posted on 01/16/2004 4:40:45 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: jmstein7

What exactly is "aid and comfort to the enemy"? Are lies involved?

16 posted on 01/16/2004 4:41:39 PM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Kennedy is just hoping he'll be dead before he's proven wrong.

On another thread there is discussion of Castro's death. I think Castro is just hanging in there long enough to outlive the last Kennedy.

I have to admit I hate Ted more than Castro.

17 posted on 01/16/2004 4:44:01 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: jmstein7
The problem is the Clintons won't let go and their handlers are allowing them to continue their stupid games.
18 posted on 01/16/2004 4:48:48 PM PST by freekitty
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To: caisson71
I saw Ted "Row The Boat Ashore" Kennedy on television yesterday. He had on more make-up than Ann Miller dancing a show-stopper. Ted looked like my Uncle Junior did when they had to hold is body over for out-of-towners to arrive.
19 posted on 01/16/2004 4:49:19 PM PST by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: jmstein7

For Bush to have lied, he had to have known that there were no WMDs, right? It's not a lie unless you know the truth. If you say something you think is true that later turns out to be false, we don't call that a "lie," we call that a "mistake."

What Bush said is that essentially every reputable intel organization on earth believes he has WMDs.  That along with the fact that S/H had not accounted for 25,000 liters of Anthrax and 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, and his failure to comply with 1441.

I don't see how any thinking person could call any of that a lie...  (Thinking person?  Perhaps I've made an unwise assumption...)

Owl_Eagle

" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"

 
20 posted on 01/16/2004 4:50:43 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (Life is hard, but it's especially hard if you're stupid.)
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