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The selling out of America
Myself ^ | 01/08/04 | AbsoluteJustice

Posted on 01/08/2004 5:25:19 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice

Well Freepers our President has sold us up the river and hopefully this is a wake up call to conservatives. The guest worker program is a DISASTER waiting to happen. One of President Reagan's mistakes in 1986 was to give blanket amnesty to illegals prior to sealing up the border and overhauling INS. It was stated that by doing this it would curb and put an end to illegal immigration. Since then it has doubled. Now we are seeing the same thing all over again.

O'Reilly pulled current numbers from the census bureau and foun the following. It costs this country 20 billion dollars a year in illegal immigration. 35% of LEGAL immigrants are on welfare or receive some form of government assistance. Like O'Reilly said if I were a Mexican living in Mexico I would be on the next bus here to America. When is America going to wake up and understand that current immigration brings unskilled, uneducated workers who NEED government assistance. Do they want to work? Yes and no. Yes there is no doubt about it that those who wish to work bust their butts in working but for below average wages. This myth that they pay taxes is also false. Those in the lower tax brackets pay no federal income taxes. Most have no health coverage and use hospitals for common illnesses. Guess who picks up the tab? I say also no they do not want to work because current numbers would support this, the 35% LEGAL immigrants currently on welfare. O'Reilly also stated that Vicente Fox is probably jumping for joy over this. He gets to dump his unskilled poor labor force on us and then reap the rewards when these people dump money back into his economy. It is a win win for this guy. I still do not understand why America appeases this guy.

This myth that immigrant workers take jobs the rest of Americans would not is totally false. Remember the great depression in the 20's? A time in which American workers were killing each other to find work? There is also a myth that immigrants are paying their share of taxes. This is also false. Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes. Furthermore, of those immigrants, LEGAL immigrants cost this country more in services rendered than what they put into the system. To save myself making such a broad accusation without proof I will provide you links of these facts. I will first provide you a quote from this website and then you may click on the link to read the website further. "For instance, in 1996 legal immigration alone cost Floridians $6 billion, up 77% from 1992. Legal immigration cost Texans $7 billion, New Yorkers $14 billion and Californians an amazing $28 billion. These are the compounded costs of Public Schools, Bilingual Education, Medicaid, AFDC, Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, Housing Assistance, Criminal Justice, as well as job loss by Americans and other programs, for a total cost to American taxpayers of $136 billion dollars." http://www.carryingcapacity.org/100000.html

I will provide you with one more quote and link. I hope that you take these facts seriously. "research suggests that "between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year." http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html

As a solution we need to make abled body Americans currently on the government dole (welfare) take those jobs that people claim only illegal immigrants will take. Our entire INS dept. needs an overhaul. We should start mass deportation of those immigrants that do not belong here. Many would say that we do not have the money for this. This is not true. Stop services, it is that simple. Stop the medical care, stop the welfare, stop other related services and dump it into immigration reform, border agents backed up by the National Guard, and deportation. My tax dollars are going to people that 1)Do not belong here and 2)Going to those that have been placed into a legal status because the defunct INS gives legal status to those that have nothing to offer this country in the way of professional services or real job production. For example; remember that LEGAL citizen that came from Europe, I believe he may have been Croatian, who lived in California? He killed his child some 3 years ago and placed the child into a dumpster. He then wrote to police where they could find the child. Want to know what this legal citizens' profession was? He was an unemployed shoe repairman. How was this individual granted legal status? Was this a man that was considered a contributor to society? Because of current immigration policy, these are the types of individuals that my tax dollars pay for.

I encourage ALL to write their Congressmen and Senators. I already have. This is the collective end to America as we know it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; biggovernment; bushimmigrantplan; guestworkerprogram; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; invasion; nationalsuicide; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; welfarestate
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To: All
oh No! That's is! I'm voting for Howard Dean or Wesley Clark or whoever else the Dems give us! That's it! I've had it!

WAAAAAAAA! The sky is falling and the world is ending! :)
41 posted on 01/08/2004 6:30:48 AM PST by SONbrad
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To: dawn53
Want to define an "inferior culture"?

An inferior culture is what the subjects want to leave and a superior culture is what they want to go to. Subjects are smart, if a little lacking in courage to make their's a free and superior culture.

42 posted on 01/08/2004 6:31:54 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-3.html

This program expects temporary workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired. And there should be financial incentives for them to do so. I will work with foreign governments on a plan to give temporary workers credit, when they enter their own nation's retirement system, for the time they have worked in America.

I also support making it easier for temporary workers to contribute a portion of their earnings to tax-preferred savings accounts, money they can collect as they return to their native countries.

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Figure that one out.

43 posted on 01/08/2004 6:32:16 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: AbsoluteJustice
But think of all the Hispanic voters who will vote Republican next election!</cynicism>
45 posted on 01/08/2004 6:37:09 AM PST by R. Scott (It is seldom that any liberty is lost all at once.)
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To: G.Mason
For those who think it is a crime to want to work to support your family, you can call most of us illegals. We would all do it. For those of you who think they are inferior, or want to receive government benefits, you don't know any personally. Once again, President Bush has done more for America that any President before him. Most immigrants are honorable, conservative, family loving individuals who deserve that same opportunities our ancestors had. For those hateful, xenophobic, individuals who are willing to support Dean because of this one issue "Good Riddance"!
46 posted on 01/08/2004 6:38:26 AM PST by mgist
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To: Emitter
"I hate to say this, but Buchanan was right on target. His major fault was having "sister" and a few other knuckleheads control his campaign."

Years ago, [ before he took his bat and ball, and left] I was a Buchanan supporter.

I was a '63 Goldwater supporter also. Shows where my head has been.

I consider myself a bit right of "Atilla the Hun", but the reality is we must deal with it in a logical and humane manner, else we best be good shots and have plenty of ammo. ;)

47 posted on 01/08/2004 6:39:23 AM PST by G.Mason (I won't call them Nazis until the second revolution begins)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
said the government faces a $47 trillion shortfall in its ability to pay for those and all other long-term obligations. Closing that gap would require "an immediate and permanent" federal tax increase of 60% or a 50% cut in Social Security and Medicare benefits
48 posted on 01/08/2004 6:39:49 AM PST by fatso
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To: mgist
"For those hateful, xenophobic, individuals who are willing to support Dean because of this one issue "Good Riddance"!"

Or, may I add, stay home in November?

What you say, unfortunately, is very sad, and very true.

49 posted on 01/08/2004 6:42:08 AM PST by G.Mason (I won't call them Nazis until the second revolution begins)
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To: G.Mason
. . . but the reality is we must deal with it in a logical and humane manner, else we best be good shots and have plenty of ammo.

That is the most logical statement I have heard today.

50 posted on 01/08/2004 6:42:10 AM PST by mgist
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To: mgist
They would support Dean, or some other Dem candidate on this one issue thinking that things would be better?

More likely they will support some fringe candidate, allowing the DemocRAT a better possibility to win by default. Either way, very stupid.
51 posted on 01/08/2004 6:47:03 AM PST by SONbrad
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To: hedgie
LOL!!!!
52 posted on 01/08/2004 6:47:35 AM PST by TomServo ("She wouldn't have me on a silver platter." "How about on an air mattress slathered with butter?")
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To: mgist
You are too kind.
53 posted on 01/08/2004 6:49:37 AM PST by G.Mason (I won't call them Nazis until the second revolution begins)
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To: hedgie
"--Animal House"

Dripping Sarcasm... see I like you already!

54 posted on 01/08/2004 6:53:13 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: G.Mason
Well since federal income taxes are the majority of taxes that run this country SS state and County are miniscule. We are taking care of those who pay no federal income taxes.
55 posted on 01/08/2004 6:53:56 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: OXENinFLA
Under the current Senate proposal:

ACCOMPANIED BY JOB OFFER- Each application filed under paragraph (1) shall be accompanied by a copy of the job offer describing the wages and other terms and conditions of employment and the bona fide occupational qualifications that must be possessed by a worker to be employed in the job opportunity in question.

So...they must have a written job offer,which means they DO have a specific job lined up.Don't specifically see anything on changing jobs, but these two sections seem applicable...

WORK PERMITS- During the period in which an alien is in lawful status under a guest worker program, the alien shall be granted authorization to engage in employment in the United States in the job opportunity approved under the program and be provided an appropriate work permit that includes a photograph of the guest worker.

PROCESS FOR COMPLAINANTS TO OBTAIN OTHER EMPLOYMENT- The Secretary of Labor and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish a process under which a guest worker who files a complaint regarding an employer who intimidates, threatens, restrains, coerces, blacklists, discharges, or in any other manner discriminates against an employee because the employee has disclosed information indicating an employer violation of the guest worker program to enable the employee to seek other appropriate employment in the United States for a period not to exceed the maximum period of stay authorized by the original permit.

This would indicate that they would have to have prior approval or a legal complaint filed against the employer. This is consistent with other guest worker programs, as they do not allow "job hopping". Couldn't find anything on legal documents other than the employers have to provide vehicle insurance if required for the job.

S.1387

56 posted on 01/08/2004 6:54:03 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: G.Mason
Militant paganism is crowding the old faiths

I'm not sure why you included this quote in a discussion about Mexican amnesty. You can say a lot of things about the folks from south of the border, but pagan isn't one of them.

57 posted on 01/08/2004 6:59:14 AM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mgist
"Most immigrants are honorable, conservative, family loving individuals who deserve that same opportunities our ancestors had. For those hateful, xenophobic, individuals who are willing to support Dean because of this one issue "Good Riddance"!

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

So because I point out some FACTUAL data that immigrants LEGAL and ILLEGAL are breaking this country because they are underskilled and uneducated....both facts I am a hateful Xenophobe? Please.....So selling your country making it a turd world country is ok with you? Read the number and you add it up.
58 posted on 01/08/2004 7:00:06 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: ravingnutter
Thanks
59 posted on 01/08/2004 7:01:38 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: ravingnutter
"So...they must have a written job offer,which means they DO have a specific job lined up.Don't specifically see anything on changing jobs, but these two sections seem applicable..."

This make NO difference in my argument though. Yes they must have a job lined up....BUT this job will be one in which does not pay squat,2) will not carry health insurance, 3)One in which the immigrant will pay NO federal income taxes, 3)Thus leaving me with the bill when said immigrant gets sick and has to run to the hospital.
60 posted on 01/08/2004 7:03:55 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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