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The selling out of America
Myself ^ | 01/08/04 | AbsoluteJustice

Posted on 01/08/2004 5:25:19 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice

Well Freepers our President has sold us up the river and hopefully this is a wake up call to conservatives. The guest worker program is a DISASTER waiting to happen. One of President Reagan's mistakes in 1986 was to give blanket amnesty to illegals prior to sealing up the border and overhauling INS. It was stated that by doing this it would curb and put an end to illegal immigration. Since then it has doubled. Now we are seeing the same thing all over again.

O'Reilly pulled current numbers from the census bureau and foun the following. It costs this country 20 billion dollars a year in illegal immigration. 35% of LEGAL immigrants are on welfare or receive some form of government assistance. Like O'Reilly said if I were a Mexican living in Mexico I would be on the next bus here to America. When is America going to wake up and understand that current immigration brings unskilled, uneducated workers who NEED government assistance. Do they want to work? Yes and no. Yes there is no doubt about it that those who wish to work bust their butts in working but for below average wages. This myth that they pay taxes is also false. Those in the lower tax brackets pay no federal income taxes. Most have no health coverage and use hospitals for common illnesses. Guess who picks up the tab? I say also no they do not want to work because current numbers would support this, the 35% LEGAL immigrants currently on welfare. O'Reilly also stated that Vicente Fox is probably jumping for joy over this. He gets to dump his unskilled poor labor force on us and then reap the rewards when these people dump money back into his economy. It is a win win for this guy. I still do not understand why America appeases this guy.

This myth that immigrant workers take jobs the rest of Americans would not is totally false. Remember the great depression in the 20's? A time in which American workers were killing each other to find work? There is also a myth that immigrants are paying their share of taxes. This is also false. Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes. Furthermore, of those immigrants, LEGAL immigrants cost this country more in services rendered than what they put into the system. To save myself making such a broad accusation without proof I will provide you links of these facts. I will first provide you a quote from this website and then you may click on the link to read the website further. "For instance, in 1996 legal immigration alone cost Floridians $6 billion, up 77% from 1992. Legal immigration cost Texans $7 billion, New Yorkers $14 billion and Californians an amazing $28 billion. These are the compounded costs of Public Schools, Bilingual Education, Medicaid, AFDC, Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, Housing Assistance, Criminal Justice, as well as job loss by Americans and other programs, for a total cost to American taxpayers of $136 billion dollars." http://www.carryingcapacity.org/100000.html

I will provide you with one more quote and link. I hope that you take these facts seriously. "research suggests that "between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year." http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html

As a solution we need to make abled body Americans currently on the government dole (welfare) take those jobs that people claim only illegal immigrants will take. Our entire INS dept. needs an overhaul. We should start mass deportation of those immigrants that do not belong here. Many would say that we do not have the money for this. This is not true. Stop services, it is that simple. Stop the medical care, stop the welfare, stop other related services and dump it into immigration reform, border agents backed up by the National Guard, and deportation. My tax dollars are going to people that 1)Do not belong here and 2)Going to those that have been placed into a legal status because the defunct INS gives legal status to those that have nothing to offer this country in the way of professional services or real job production. For example; remember that LEGAL citizen that came from Europe, I believe he may have been Croatian, who lived in California? He killed his child some 3 years ago and placed the child into a dumpster. He then wrote to police where they could find the child. Want to know what this legal citizens' profession was? He was an unemployed shoe repairman. How was this individual granted legal status? Was this a man that was considered a contributor to society? Because of current immigration policy, these are the types of individuals that my tax dollars pay for.

I encourage ALL to write their Congressmen and Senators. I already have. This is the collective end to America as we know it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; biggovernment; bushimmigrantplan; guestworkerprogram; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; invasion; nationalsuicide; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; welfarestate
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To: AbsoluteJustice
.....This is the collective end to America as we know it.....

Your perception does not adequately reflect reality. You are perceiving an America that is already gone. It can not be restored to the previous condition.

We can argue about what might have been done but that would be wasted effort. A better course is to discuss what must be done.

Recall if you will the Great Wall of China. It was built at great cost to prevent an invasion of inferior peoples similar tho that faced by America today. The Great Wall was a failure and did not accomplish the intended purpose.

The present course outlined by the President seems to recognize that the force of history and population pressure operating from our southern borders is inexorable and can't be stopped. It can however be managed.

By the President's actions, the discussion is now resolved to those things that are possible. How will America manage the horde of people invading from the South? The President has outlined a course including using and enforcing many laws already on the books but either not used or underused.

The ball is in play and the arguing about what is possible has begun. The problem will not be solved, it will be managed.

The wasted words and passion arguing about what might have been are not part of the process.
21 posted on 01/08/2004 5:47:02 AM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Your search - "CRIMINAL INVADERS reward" - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
Also, you can try Google Answers for expert help with your search.
22 posted on 01/08/2004 5:48:03 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (A little knowledge is dangerous.-- I live dangerously::))
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To: OXENinFLA
To my mind there was no intent or desire for any legislation, the clue being that he laid it on congress to take care of. Bush knows full well there will be no laws passed this year. It was cheap political pandering and I am disappointed that he choose to take this course. Meanwhile Bush leaves the gates wide open and the flood continues.
23 posted on 01/08/2004 5:50:04 AM PST by cynicom
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To: bert
Recall if you will the Great Wall of China. It was built at great cost to prevent an invasion of inferior peoples similar tho that faced by America today

Inferior people???

So Americans are superior to other nationalities?

But don't most Americans trace their ancestry to a mix of "inferior" people?

Want to explain your definition of inferior???

24 posted on 01/08/2004 5:50:26 AM PST by dawn53
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To: AbsoluteJustice
bump
25 posted on 01/08/2004 5:52:32 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: dawn53
I think bert means inferior culture.
26 posted on 01/08/2004 5:54:07 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: bert
population pressure operating from our southern borders is inexorable and can't be stopped.

I see by your statement that you should never climb into a paper bag, you won't find ever your way out.

It would be very easy to close our borders, even easier to drastically reduce the exodus.

Either you're blind to simple logic or you're one of those who can never ever say "Mr. President THIS IS WRONG". You people are EXACTLY like the suck-job clintonoids that fell prostrate before him at all costs.

27 posted on 01/08/2004 5:57:03 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: cynicom
Yeah, I do have problems & questions about what Pres. Bush is proposing in this speech.

From Speech:

All who participate in the temporary worker program must have a job, or, if not living in the United States, a job offer. The legal status granted by this program will last three years and will be renewable -- but it will have an end.

"a job offer"

No! they should have a specific job set up and if they lose or want to change jobs they should be required to start over.

This new system will be more compassionate. Decent, hard-working people will now be protected by labor laws, with the right to change jobs, earn fair wages, and enjoy the same working conditions that the law requires for American workers.

Now hold on, if they change jobs I think they should have to re-apply and start all over.

"Temporary workers will be able to establish their identities by obtaining the legal documents we all take for granted. "

What Docs?

28 posted on 01/08/2004 5:58:38 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Lady Eileen
Again, what's the definition of an inferior culture???

We've got Hollywood and abortion, legalization of gay marriage as a looming issue.

Want to define an "inferior culture"?
30 posted on 01/08/2004 6:02:04 AM PST by dawn53
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To: bert
" ....... The wasted words and passion arguing about what might have been are not part of the process."

Well stated.

It will, however, not sit well with those that wish to build another "Great Wall".

Against good advise, some will sit at the ocean side, trying to stop the "tide" with their hands.

31 posted on 01/08/2004 6:08:02 AM PST by G.Mason (I won't call them Nazis until the second revolution begins)
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To: bert
Read my entire thread and you will see my resolution to this issue. We can stop the Horde by backing up Border Patrol with the National Guard. Will it prevent ALL Illegal immigration? No. But it will severly hamper it.

"The ball is in play and the arguing about what is possible has begun. The problem will not be solved, it will be managed."

Will it? how? How can you set up a program that is failed from the start and state it is managed? Our borders are not even managed. I think you are a bit naieve.
32 posted on 01/08/2004 6:10:13 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: bert
I didn't hear the president's speech. Did he mention who will pay the cost of health care for the illegals?
33 posted on 01/08/2004 6:12:50 AM PST by texastoo ((go California go. Tell it like it is))
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To: OXENinFLA
W-2, although I am sure they will not be paying taxes somehow.
34 posted on 01/08/2004 6:13:12 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (My husband can beat up your metrosexual.)
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To: cynicom

This reminds me of the president's cute ploy of signing the Campaign Finance Reform Act, since "everyone knew" the Supreme Court would strike it down...everyone but Sandra Day O'Connor, that is. And now CFR, which absolutely revokes the First Amendment's freedom of political speech guarantee, is the law of the land. We will deeply regret some of these political stunts and their unintended consequences.
35 posted on 01/08/2004 6:21:30 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: WV Mountain Mama
"W-2, although I am sure they will not be paying taxes somehow."

You are correct they will NOT be paying taxes. they will obtain jobs that are in the lower income bracket because they are uneducated and unskilled workers. Lower income tax bracket pays NO Federal income taxes. Nada, Zilch, Zero. :)
36 posted on 01/08/2004 6:22:09 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: kittymyrib
Nothing worse that a blind partisan party supporter, dem or pub. The Titanic is getting ready to sail.
37 posted on 01/08/2004 6:24:44 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Emitter
From Pat Buchanan's book "The Death of the West"

"There are 30 million foreign born in the U.S. and between 9 and 11 million illegal aliens – as many illegals as there are people in Massachusett, Rhode Island and Connecticut combined."


"America is losing the cultural war. Militant paganism is crowding the old faiths. Separatism is triumphing over integration. The melting pot has become a salad bowl. And the impact upon American society, politics and culture will be devastating."


How many fences and how high?

As "Bert" said ....... " The ball is in play and the arguing about what is possible has begun. The problem will not be solved, it will be managed. "

38 posted on 01/08/2004 6:24:46 AM PST by G.Mason (I won't call them Nazis until the second revolution begins)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
W should be ashamed of himself. I can not look at him in the same light after this. Sorry, but this is a sellout of the biggest proportions. How are we going to be safer? All that is going to happen is that the employers will put the existing people on the rolls, and importing even more lower wage illegals to undercut the american standards. What a joke W is over this.
39 posted on 01/08/2004 6:28:53 AM PST by chris1
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"Lower income tax bracket pays NO Federal income taxes. Nada, Zilch, Zero. :)"

That may be true, however they pay Social Security, State, county and federal sales taxes.

I, a citizen, born here, pay no federal income taxes.

Nada, Zilch, Zero. :)

40 posted on 01/08/2004 6:29:49 AM PST by G.Mason (I won't call them Nazis until the second revolution begins)
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