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Anti-Semitism Debate Swirls Across Europe: Muslim alienation seen as 'new' worry
The Chicago Tribune ^ | January 4, 2004 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 01/05/2004 10:49:29 AM PST by quidnunc

Vienna – Facing an apparent rise in anti-Semitic attacks, European leaders and public institutions are locked in a debate about the significance of the violence, its causes and how to deal with increasingly alienated Muslim immigrants who are behind many of the incidents.

In France, after the Nov. 15 firebombing of a Jewish school in a heavily Muslim Paris suburb, President Jacques Chirac declared that any attack on a Jew in France was an attack on France itself and established a special commission to fight anti-Semitism.

But a few weeks later, Yves Bertrand, the head of France's domestic intelligence agency, said the evidence did not support claims of a sharp rise in anti-Semitic attacks in France.

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"We can't come out and say Muslims in Western Europe are creating the problem. That's stereotyping," said Ioannis Demitrakopoulos, a program administrator at the Monitoring Center.

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(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism
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Tibi, who has written extensively on the subject, argues that Muslims are at least equally responsible for the failure to integrate.

Religious leaders in particular, he said, play a "double game."

"When they speak to the public in Germany or France, they speak the language of integration. When they speak within the community, they warn against integration," he said. "They warn it will lead Muslims away from Islam."

This is SOP for TROP™, they do it here in the U.S. too.

1 posted on 01/05/2004 10:49:29 AM PST by quidnunc
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2 posted on 01/05/2004 10:50:15 AM PST by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: quidnunc
If you think assimilation into your adopted culture means being 'led away from Islam', then get out. Don't presume to come into my house then dictate how I choose to live.
3 posted on 01/05/2004 10:55:08 AM PST by Viking2002
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To: quidnunc
"In France, after the Nov. 15 firebombing of a Jewish school..."

These people are pigs.
4 posted on 01/05/2004 10:56:30 AM PST by OpusatFR (Al Dean and Howard Gore, se)
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To: quidnunc
"..how to deal with increasingly alienated Muslim immigrants who are behind many of the incidents."

Deportations and firing squads are a good suggestion. When employing the latter, use hogskins as shrouds.
5 posted on 01/05/2004 10:59:55 AM PST by ZULU
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To: quidnunc
Think about how many neighborhoods in America you can get though speaking only Spanish.
6 posted on 01/05/2004 11:01:05 AM PST by RonF
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To: Viking2002
THAT says it all. Well done.
7 posted on 01/05/2004 11:02:08 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: quidnunc
"We can't come out and say Muslims in Western Europe are creating the problem. That's stereotyping," said Ioannis Demitrakopoulos, a program administrator at the Monitoring Center.

Exactly the problem. Failure to properly identify and eliminate the problem. They might as well bend over and wait for the spanking with that attitude. The Muslims aren't alienated so much as they came to alienate. The French have bent over backwards to help them 'assimilate' for 30 years, at least. It's clear that is not their goal. Even during the hijackings and terrorism of 70's France, the French just wanted to capitulate. And now, the leaders at least, with their short memories, are capitulating again, this time for the new EU (you know, spread the joy). Much to the endangerment of the non-Muslim EU general population, who are admonished if they speak out, like Brigit Bardotte.

"When they speak to the public in Germany or France, they speak the language of integration. When they speak within the community, they warn against integration," he said. "They warn it will lead Muslims away from Islam."

"This is SOP for TROP™, they do it here in the U.S. too."

And most people here and over there are so afraid of it. They dance around it, afraid of offending the minority, advising all to 'embrace' the new multiculturalism.

8 posted on 01/05/2004 11:04:56 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: quidnunc
God told us that the Ishmaelites would be like a wild donkeys, against all men and all men against them. God is always right so why should anyone be surprised?

Best thing for a wild donkey is a muzzle and a stick. Many of our fellow Christians are beyond useless in that they'll let these demon possessed maniacs have their way with the world, thinking it the Christian thing to do.

Allowing the product of hell to the gates of heaven is foolish and sinful. Allowing the Islamic "New Nazism" to flourish is not what God wants for his people.

To me the choice is clear.... join the human race or be be removed from it.

9 posted on 01/05/2004 11:10:21 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: Viking2002
If you think assimilation into your adopted culture means being 'led away from Islam', then get out. Don't presume to come into my house then dictate how I choose to live.

I agree, of course. But, the militant minded ones (who scorn those who have assimiliated, a smaller number) know that already. They want to 'help' us and lead us away from our culture to the 'truth' of Islam and it's peace. They decry our multiculturalism and non-Islam religions. They think it's their mission to convert or conquer us. Even if it's through our own systems, i.e. elected positions, legal positions, etc. And there doesn't appear to be much mercy for those who can't or won't be converted. Just ask the people of Sudan or East Timor or the Phillipines or Afghanistan - oh, I could go on.

10 posted on 01/05/2004 11:12:09 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: Puppage
Some concepts are breathtakingly simple. Leave it to some people to paint it a thousand shades of gray, because they can't face the cold, hard clarity of the solution. Tough shiznit.
11 posted on 01/05/2004 11:13:46 AM PST by Viking2002
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To: RonF
Think about how many neighborhoods in America you can get though speaking only Spanish.

We have a very significant illegal immigration problem in this country, but we are VERY LUCKY that most of them are Hispanic, not Muslim.

Frankly, I think we should put a stop to any further Muslim immigration into the country now, at least until the world situation is stabilized. But I won't hold my breath, because even after 9/11 the political odds are against it.

12 posted on 01/05/2004 11:16:34 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: quidnunc
And you think it isn't going to happen in America.? Too late to close the borders and our politicians are in it for the big personal payoff. In the near future French speaking peoples in France could be the minority,in America it could be Spanish! I see people arming themselves to protect their culture and heritage.
13 posted on 01/05/2004 11:24:22 AM PST by JamesA (Stand up, stand together or die as one.)
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To: ZULU
Last meal...Jimmy Dean sausage.
14 posted on 01/05/2004 11:27:47 AM PST by steve8714
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To: quidnunc
It's the 1930's all over again. The followers of Hitler have been replaced by the followers of Allah...as Europe watches, again.
15 posted on 01/05/2004 12:03:19 PM PST by cwb (ç†)
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To: JamesA; quidnunc
I've lived among both Latin American immigrants and Arab immigrants. I prefer the Latinos.

BTW: If by "heritage" you mean junk food, Wal-Mart, bad music and reality shows, your Spanish-speaking neighbors and their English speaking children are assimilating quite fine thank you. If you mean that they respect our CONSTITUTIONAL heritage, I'm afraid that this is not the case with ANYONE in this country, particularly here in New York. Sad, but true.

16 posted on 01/05/2004 3:09:21 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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