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Takeoffs Continued Until Second Jet Hit Trade Center, Transcripts Show
NYTimes ^ | December 30, 2003 | JIM DWYER

Posted on 12/30/2003 2:43:32 AM PST by RJCogburn

A set of tape transcripts released yesterday open a small window onto the flow of information among aviation authorities on Sept. 11, 2001, showing that air traffic officials in New York knew no more about the attacks than anyone watching television.

Although fighter jets were racing toward the city after the commandeered planes, the transcripts showed that controllers at La Guardia Airport, apparently unaware of the hijackings, continued to send out flights until the second plane had struck the World Trade Center. That was nearly an hour after the first plane had been hijacked.

The records are the latest to be released by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in response to a lawsuit brought by The New York Times. Four months ago, the Port Authority released about 2,000 pages of transcribed phone calls and radio transmissions that revealed communications problems and mistaken assurances that people could stay inside the towers.

Among the matters being investigated by the federal 9-11 Commission is the performance of the Federal Aviation Administration, which controls the nation's air traffic, and how quickly it notified air defense and local air traffic controllers.

"What was going on, on the ground — the immediate response of the federal, state and city government — is very central to our work," Al Felzenberg, a spokesman for the commission, said yesterday. "You will find that we will be very active in this area."

The unconventional siege of Sept. 11 stretched for nearly two hours in the skies from New England to the Midwest, from the takeover at 8:20 a.m. of American Airlines Flight 11 after it left Boston, until 10:03 a.m., when United Airlines Flight 93 from Newark is believed to have crashed in Pennsylvania.

Military officials have said that the F.A.A. notified them about one of the four hijackings only after that plane had crashed into the second tower at the trade center, but F.A.A. authorities have given different chronologies. Because of incomplete answers from both military and civil authorities, the commission said, it has been forced to issue subpoenas for information.

The fourth hijacked plane took off from Newark at 8:43, after two of the earlier planes had been seized. That has led the 9-11 Commission and others to question how the F.A.A. shared information as the crisis unfolded.

"What were the breakdowns in communication between the control towers, the F.A.A., Norad, and other government agencies?" Mary Fetchet, the mother of Bradley Fetchet, 24, who was killed in the south tower of the trade center, asked the commission in March.

At La Guardia, the tapes make clear, officials in the tower knew very little. Just after 9 a.m., shortly before the second plane hit the trade center, an unidentified woman in the La Guardia control tower spoke by phone with a Port Authority police officer, also unidentified on these transcripts.

"Do you know what happened at the World Trade Center?" the woman in the tower asked the policeman.

"Yeah, we . . . we just got it from what we are getting on the news," he responded. "We are sending a whole bunch of people down there, just so you guys know. We think a plane crashed into it."

"A plane crashed into it?" she asked.

"A plane crashed into the World Trade Center, yeah," the police officer answered.

The trade center and the billowing smoke could be seen from La Guardia, and as one supervisor looked at Lower Manhattan through binoculars, he saw the second plane circling around the towers, according to a federal aviation official.

At that moment, fighter jets that had been scrambled from Otis Air Force base in Massachusetts were racing toward the city and were about 71 miles from the trade center, eight minutes' flying time, according to testimony at a 9-11 Commission hearing.

(There was conflicting testimony on when the military was alerted to the first hijacking. Col. Alan Scott, retired, testified that the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or Norad, had been notified at 8:40 a.m., 20 minutes after the F.A.A. learned of the hijacking. The former F.A.A. administrator, Jane Garvey, testified that the notification took place six minutes earlier, at 8:34.)

Nothing on the tapes shows that the La Guardia controllers knew that the planes flying into their airspace had been seized by terrorists, or that military aircraft were screaming in pursuit over the Hudson River. Commercial airliners continued to line up on the La Guardia runways for takeoff, the transcripts show, as the second hijacked plane plunged into the south tower of the trade center at 9:02. Four minutes later, the air traffic in the area was grounded, and the word moved through the lines of planes waiting to leave La Guardia, according to an F.A.A. chronology.

At 9:07, an F.A.A. ground controller contacted planes getting ready for departure. "There's nobody that's going to be leaving La Guardia. Everybody just stand by," the dispatcher said. "I'm going to call you all back shortly. Everybody please maintain radio silence."

Police from the Port Authority, who patrolled both the trade center and the airports, sought information from the controllers about the hijackers. But the controllers, who were busy with airplanes suddenly returned for landing and others that had to go back to the gates, could not offer any news.

At 9:13, an air traffic controller, Chris McCary, took a phone call from a Port Authority police officer identified in the transcripts as Lusardi. "They are inquiring whether or not you can call Kennedy's tower," Officer Lusardi said, "because they can't get through, and inquire whether or not they had any contact with these aircrafts."

Mr. McCary answered, "At this time, we do not think that anyone in the F.A.A. had any contact with them."

At 9:37, a controller in the tower reported that the last La Guardia flight was returning to the gate. `My taxiways are clear," he said. "My runways are clear. And my airspace is clear."

The final recorded conversation in the tower that morning came at 9:47, when a supervisor called in and instructed a controller to get in touch with the police aviation unit.

"We are evacuating the tower," the supervisor said.

TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; 911transcripts; atc; faa; laguardia

1 posted on 12/30/2003 2:43:33 AM PST by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
This isn't news.
2 posted on 12/30/2003 2:44:48 AM PST by ChadGore (George W. Bush has done more to earn my vote than any other American alive today.)
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To: ChadGore; RJCogburn
"This isn't news."

Yes, it is, at least to me. I learned several things from the article.


3 posted on 12/30/2003 3:11:33 AM PST by CDHart
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To: ChadGore
The ATC portion of the FAA is a bureaucracy like any other part of the guvment. I'm sure procedures are in place to ensure things would work differently today. 9-11 is a BC/A.D. divide.
4 posted on 12/30/2003 3:22:02 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: ChadGore
It sounds more like Nit-Picking, than news.

I'm sure they shut down everything as soon as they could, because the attack that day was a surprise to everyone, and anybody who says otherwise is full of it.

The idea that such a scheme could happen was out there, just like the idea of beings from other planets visiting earth is possible, but the idea that it either would occur was not. The CIA blew it and it as simple as that.

5 posted on 12/30/2003 3:23:54 AM PST by jerod
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To: CDHart; ChadGore; jerod
The fourth hijacked plane took off from Newark at 8:43, after two of the earlier planes had been seized.

Loved ones who had family members die on the fourth hijacked plane from Newark have good reason to be outraged.

6 posted on 12/30/2003 3:37:12 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: jerod
I think the CIA really did a bad job. Why are we giving then all this money. It also really messed up on Russia or something. Maybe they are just not telling us the truth. We should have known years before USSR went under but they say they did not know. What are they doing with all this money that even congress can not find out it has or where it goes.
7 posted on 12/30/2003 3:37:48 AM PST by sawyer
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To: jerod
The CIA blew it and it as simple as that.

You know, I think we all blew it. Everybody. The alphabet agencies, the oblivious and complacent public. Everybody. If they had tried to warn us of such a thing we would have 'pooh-poohed' it. The truth is, the danger was out there written in 100 mile high letters and we chose to ignore it.

Just like what's going on Pakistan right now. Al Qaeda is about to join the list of the world's nuclear powers and when I look out my window I only see people heading off to Princes St or coming back with two arms full of stuff they bought at the shops. Nobody cares about the danger they don't see.

8 posted on 12/30/2003 3:39:37 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
You hit the nail on the head PS, Three months ago I read from an Iranian student that AQ next move would be to aquire Paks Nukes. I have raised that info on this forum many times but no one seemed interested enough to respond.
9 posted on 12/30/2003 3:50:22 AM PST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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To: RJCogburn
The planes struck the towers at 8:46 & 9:03 (Eastern).

The Pentagon was hit at 9:37.

The Pennsylvania crash occured at approx. 10:20.
10 posted on 12/30/2003 3:52:04 AM PST by elli1
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To: eastforker
You know, there's a lot of parallels for that as well. Take learning a language for example. If you've ever lived in another country and learned the language you might have noted that once you learned a new word, after that you seemed to hear it used all the time where as before you had not heard it. It's a thing that has happened to me a lot. Once you were made aware of the thing it seems incredible that you never noticed it before.

Same thing with terrorism. While terrorism is something that happens somewhere else, people are just blissfully unaware of it. Once it affects them they want to know why nobody ever did anything to stop it.

You look at the current Democratic debate and the current themes the media is harping on. The nine dwarves are trying to delineate themselves on how they would have acted in regards to the Iraq war. They would have supported it or they wouldn't have supported it or they would have done it differently yadda yadda yadda.

But the key point is- it's in the past. It's done now. We now have other issues facing us but they are still politicking on yesterday's issues. What they should be talking about is how they will handle Pakistan. That would be something I would truly be interested in hearing, not how they would've handled an event that has already been handled.

Same with the news media. Today's version of investigative reporting seems to be ever more about unravelling the past than investigating and shining a light on the unknowns of the present and future. Journalists are off on some witch hunt trying to show that this or that politician knew something two years ago when they could be actually serving a good public service by making people aware of the danger that faces us tomorrow.

11 posted on 12/30/2003 4:36:22 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: ChadGore
It's interesting, but like some others have said, it's nitpicking. The air traffic control system is too complex to just throw a switch and stop everything "right damn now."

Somebody at the FAA would have to call the Powers That Be at Laguardia and tell them to stop all takeoffs and get everybody in their airspace back down. Then the PTB would have to notify the ground controllers, the tower (that handles planes close to the airport), the New York approach/departure controllers (that handle lower-altitude planes in the NYC metro area), and the New York ARTCC, and they'd have to all coordinate. Frankly, I'm impressed they cleared national airspace as quickly as they did, with no incidents.

12 posted on 12/30/2003 4:44:43 AM PST by Moose4 ("The road goes on forever, and the party never ends." --Robert Earl Keen)
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To: Moose4
You are exactly right. This is one of the rare times when I read all the posts BEFORE I commented. You took the words right out of my mouth.
13 posted on 12/30/2003 5:26:09 AM PST by kinsman redeemer
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To: Prodigal Son
Someone's responsible and should be held accountable, not just let it "pass".
14 posted on 12/30/2003 10:41:59 AM PST by Bella
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To: Bella
Aye, and his name is Osama bin Laden. We are doing everything we can to find him. I wasn't aware we were giving him a pass.
15 posted on 12/30/2003 10:47:11 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Not quite sure of that. There are literally thousands of flights in the air. Just because two have been hijacked all planes should be grounded? That would cause mucho problems if it were policy. Besides, no one who made the decision was aware of the possibility of planes being used in suicide missions. Now if the plane had taken off after both Twin Towers had been hit, then you'd have a case IMHO.
16 posted on 12/30/2003 10:47:14 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: jerod
The CIA blew it and it's as simple as that.

Didn't they find boxcutters abandoned on at least one other plane that never took off and was later evacuated and searched? So the potential was there for more hijackings.

17 posted on 12/30/2003 10:47:28 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Prodigal Son
You misread what was written.. not just let it "pass".--the event itself, get to the bottom of it and let justice prevail.
18 posted on 12/30/2003 10:53:57 AM PST by Bella
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To: Bella
Well, that's what we're doing by trying to find and kill Osama and company.
19 posted on 12/30/2003 11:45:03 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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