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Saddam scrubbed from list of descendants of the Prophet Mohammed
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| 12/17/03
Posted on 12/17/2003 1:48:07 PM PST by TexKat
BAGHDAD (AFP) - The name of Saddam Hussein has been removed from the list of descendants of Islam's Prophet Mohammed, the head of the union of Ashrafs, who guard the genealogical tree, told AFP.
Al-Sherif Najeh Mohammed Hassan al-Faham al-Aaraji admitted that the ousted dictator had been able to cheat despite the great value and honour attached to the line which is guarded in Baghdad.
"Saddam had forced the origin experts to falsify his genealogical tree so that it went back to the Prophet," he said.
"We will inform all the experts, and particularly those who yielded to Saddam and agreed to falsify his genealogical tree. But the real trusted experts are very few in number and all refused."
Aaraji showed AFP a photo of Saddam's tree including a large book of origins which go back to the imams Hassan and Hussein, sons of the imam Ali bin Abi Taleb by his wife Fatima, a daughter of the Prophet.
The cancellation of Saddam's noble lineage was decided three days after his capture by US forces on Saturday night near Tikrit, in northern Iraq.
The Ashrafs' union was set up after the fall of the old regime on April 9 by the men who under Saddam were part of councils of the sayeds, or lords, descending from Hassan and Hussein.
The union has the backing of religious dignitaries from all Muslim traditions, including the hawza Shiite seminary in Najaf as well as the interim interior ministry, Aaraji said.
On Tuesday the union held its first congress "to build the new Iraq", attended by Sunni and Shiite ashrafs, representatives of the interim Governing Council and other Iraqi communities.
"The first committee of ashrafs was set up in Kufa (Iraq) in 830 in the era of the Abbasids," said Ahmad Khoder al-Abbasi, head of the Arab committee of origins.
It moved to Baghdad, which became a centre for similar committees from the Arab and Muslim world. In the 1800s, the Ottomans suspended its activities and in 1917 the British scrapped the union totally, Abbasi said.
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
He's also been taken off the mailing list for the Publisher's Clearinghouse.
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posted on
12/17/2003 4:41:49 PM PST
by
My2Cents
("Well....there you go again...")
To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Ah ~ the unfairness of it all ~ the democrats are sad ~ very sad!
62
posted on
12/17/2003 4:43:50 PM PST
by
blackie
To: Grut
...which is a pretty good indication of how much his return was still feared, and that it no longer is. Bad news for Baathists.
Very astute.
Do they ever read Orwell in Islamic so-called cultures?
63
posted on
12/17/2003 6:15:02 PM PST
by
Radix
(They say that in the Army, the Chow is mighty fine. Chicken got off the table, and started marching)
To: Cicero
LoL!
64
posted on
12/17/2003 6:15:37 PM PST
by
Radix
(They say that in the Army, the Chow is mighty fine. Chicken got off the table, and started marching)
To: TheSpottedOwl
He can eat pork now, but first he has to master eating crow.
65
posted on
12/17/2003 6:21:20 PM PST
by
F.J. Mitchell
(But maybe it's just my imagination.)
To: TexKat
A blood-soaked, amoral, walking piece of human s**t. Your characterization was far too kind.
To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
To: TexKat
The cancellation of Saddam's noble lineage was decided three days after his capture by US forces on Saturday night near Tikrit, in northern Iraq.
Almost as courageous and noble as if it were done three days before his capture.
To: TexKat
how are you be so sure that those are salami and not some sort of weird souvenirs from his days of torture?
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posted on
12/17/2003 9:14:54 PM PST
by
Hillary's Lovely Legs
(Dean, a constant critic of the war now left looking like a monkey whose organ grinder had run away.)
To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Oops, I forgot to add the phone
70
posted on
12/17/2003 9:17:14 PM PST
by
Hillary's Lovely Legs
(Dean, a constant critic of the war now left looking like a monkey whose organ grinder had run away.)
To: TexKat
According to reports, he still insists that he is the president of Iraq. Sounds like this information could be a useful tool in his interrogation. The ultimate humiliation.
To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
how are you be so sure that those are salami and not some sort of weird souvenirs from his days of torture?LOL. Only because they are not all scriveled up.
What you think there was an abundance of viagra as well as guns and ammunitions in Iraq?
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posted on
12/17/2003 9:30:35 PM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: joesnuffy
Bingo! That's what I was going to say. Lying, murdering, torturing SOB looks just like an apple that didn't fall very far from Mohammad's tree.
To: windchime
Saddam in the Box. He popped up in the hole and said. I'm Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq.
What got me last night on one of the cable news shows it was reported that one of the Iraqi men that questioned Saddam after he was captured asked him why he did not put up a fight against his capturors. Saddam replied while gestering to the Americans: would you fight them? What a coward. He would have others fight the Americans, but he is too chickensh.t to do it himself.
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posted on
12/17/2003 10:28:33 PM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: TexKat
I heard that, too. He's like the rest of his ilk. If he could find a couple of kids to hide behind, he'd do it.
To: VOA
It did (does) seem way unbelievable..
76
posted on
12/17/2003 11:27:42 PM PST
by
Freedom2specul8
(Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
To: F.J. Mitchell
He can eat pork now, but first he has to master eating crow.I see a photoshop opportunity!
77
posted on
12/18/2003 7:23:22 AM PST
by
TheSpottedOwl
(Happy Iraqi Independence Day!!!!)
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