Saddam scrubbed from list of descendants of the Prophet Mohammed

AFP ^ | 12/17/03

[TexKat]

BAGHDAD (AFP) - The name of Saddam Hussein has been removed from the list of descendants of Islam's Prophet Mohammed, the head of the union of Ashrafs, who guard the genealogical tree, told AFP.

Al-Sherif Najeh Mohammed Hassan al-Faham al-Aaraji admitted that the ousted dictator had been able to cheat despite the great value and honour attached to the line which is guarded in Baghdad.

"Saddam had forced the origin experts to falsify his genealogical tree so that it went back to the Prophet," he said.

"We will inform all the experts, and particularly those who yielded to Saddam and agreed to falsify his genealogical tree. But the real trusted experts are very few in number and all refused."

Aaraji showed AFP a photo of Saddam's tree including a large book of origins which go back to the imams Hassan and Hussein, sons of the imam Ali bin Abi Taleb by his wife Fatima, a daughter of the Prophet.

The cancellation of Saddam's noble lineage was decided three days after his capture by US forces on Saturday night near Tikrit, in northern Iraq.

The Ashrafs' union was set up after the fall of the old regime on April 9 by the men who under Saddam were part of councils of the sayeds, or lords, descending from Hassan and Hussein.

The union has the backing of religious dignitaries from all Muslim traditions, including the hawza Shiite seminary in Najaf as well as the interim interior ministry, Aaraji said.

On Tuesday the union held its first congress "to build the new Iraq", attended by Sunni and Shiite ashrafs, representatives of the interim Governing Council and other Iraqi communities.

"The first committee of ashrafs was set up in Kufa (Iraq) in 830 in the era of the Abbasids," said Ahmad Khoder al-Abbasi, head of the Arab committee of origins.

It moved to Baghdad, which became a centre for similar committees from the Arab and Muslim world. In the 1800s, the Ottomans suspended its activities and in 1917 the British scrapped the union totally, Abbasi said.

[mombonn]

Saddam being captured alive is yielding the same benefits as NOT convicting the IMPEACHED ex-42.

Neither of they can enjoy martyr status.

[steve-b]

We will inform all the experts, and particularly those who yielded to Saddam and agreed to falsify his genealogical tree. But the real trusted experts are very few in number and all refused.

If they weren't very few in number before, they certainly were afterwards.

[dennisw]

Saddam is a spiritual descendent of mad Mo' the pedophile prophet. Saddam simply emulated Muhammad's life as an Islamic thug and murderer.

[Ancesthntr]

Let's see, Mohammed lived about 1400 years ago. At 25 years per generation, that's 56 generations. Unless those descendants were VERY careful to just about only marry other descendants, then pretty much several hundred million people have to be descended from him...and I'm not including births arising from rape (you know, of "rape and pillage" fame). Plus, how many of his descendants have had multiple wives and concubines? Add in marriages to Europeans, as Montfort mentioned, and you really have a very large family tree - I'd be very, very surprised if Hussein WASN'T descended from Mohammed, though proving it would be difficult. Just like proving that I'm descended from King David - I'm sure that I am, and just as sure that I'll never be able to prove it.

[Little Bill]

Same here, ain't no Yankee by my lights, must be a ferriner.

[observer5]

You are sure? I mean the Mohammed fellow was just as much a mass-murderer as Sad-am

[Alouette]

What's a half-English/half-French/half Irish fella to do?

I'm not sure, but fightin' and drinkin' comes to mind.

There can only be two halves, so the fighting half and the drinking half chased away the cheese-eating surrendering half.

[mtbopfuyn]

I can't imagine why he would not be a descendant of Mohammed when just about everyone else is. I think I am, as are most other folks who trace back to certain European monarchs, which is just about everyone in the US with European ancestry.

Spit, spit! I come off the illegitimate line of Charlemagne and Mr. M from the legit and haven't found any Mohammeds anywhere around there. Supposedly, we go back to the Vikings c. 500 AD so here's hoping there's not a drop of shared ancestral blood with that scum. Or perhaps that's what's wrong with our scum bag cousins and Chirac.

[sonofatpatcher2]

Re: The name of Saddam Hussein has been removed from the list of descendants of Islam's Prophet Mohammed, the head of the union of Ashrafs, who guard the genealogical tree

I hope that was the one I wee-weed on...

[honeygrl]

"What's a half-English/half-French/half Irish fella to do?"

drink, fight, then surrender in the morning.

[TheSpottedOwl]

For real, on one of the cable news reports when they were naming off stuff that they found in the kitchen area where Saddam was found in the hole, they found cans of SPAM.

Hmmm, so what happened to all the French cheese, German sausages, Russian caviar, and Belgian chocolates? When the chips fall, you go for good old American food!

[TheSpottedOwl]

I surprised that a country such as Iraq would even allow pork products cross its borders. Are they like the USA in prohibition times, when some on would go over to the county line for some bacon?

Heck, check out all the high end liquor they found in his palaces! They aren't supposed to drink, either. Bloody hypocrites...

[TheRedSoxWinThePennant]

[Viking2002]

...........and added his name to the list of the spawns of Satan. >;-)

[freedumb2003]

Saddam Hussein Family Tree
(It looks like he was right to begin with...)

Cockroach
Feminist
	Democrat	Saddam
	Camel
Mohammed
Camel

[Pagey]

"Saddam had forced the origin experts to falsify his genealogical tree so that it went back to the Prophet," he said.

And forced 35 years of Iraqi born people to believe that he actually was a descendant. Boy, imagine believing it yourself for 35 years---I can't imagine (really don't care) what that statement will do to his psyche before he assumes room temperature, much less knowing that the entire (Arab/Muslim) world knows it too. LOLOLOL

[aculeus]

The name of Saddam Hussein has been removed from the list of descendants of Islam's Prophet Mohammed.

Plan B: Contact the Strom Thurmond family.

[oyez]

It seems if your a big dog over there its alright to bend the rules.

[TheSpottedOwl]

It seems if your a big dog over there its alright to bend the rules.

Apparently. Hey at least the people will be able to get food and medicine now...

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Al-Sherif Najeh Mohammed Hassan al-Faham al-Aaraji admitted that the ousted dictator had been able to cheat despite the great value and honour attached to the line which is guarded in Baghdad.

"Saddam had forced the origin experts to falsify his genealogical tree so that it went back to the Prophet," he said.
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This must be Mohammed's living family tree.