Vanity: An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...

12-10-03 | Vanity

[ambrose]

Vanity:

An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...

[gatorbait]

He wants to break up big media outlets, not just Fox News.

Fox News is the only one he named and he crawfished when called on it. Dr Strangehate is a dangerous individual.

[Mo1]

If you read the article in the link I provided you'll see that some programs were cut, taxes were not raised, the legislature didn't pass any cigarette taxes....the state was short on funds but Dean insisted on a balanced budget - and got it. Perfect, no. But he doesn't seem like a pork-barrel guy, that's for sure.

Hmmm .. That's not what the Washington Times says

Vermont enjoyed a budget surplus this year while most states were in the red because of the recession that began three years ago. What the former governor doesn't say is that he raised hundreds of millions of dollars in higher taxes, including sales taxes, cigarette taxes, property taxes and corporate taxes, to balance the books while paying for his social welfare proposals.
After 11 years under Mr. Dean's governorship, Vermont now ranks in the top tier of high-tax states, a fiscal legacy that President Bush's campaign strategists say they intend to highlight should Mr. Dean become the Democratic presidential nominee next year.

[Mo1]

I wouldn't trade this for all the gold in Fort Knox!

You do realize that I am now jealous ;0)

Ahhhhhhhhhh some day, I'll have my dreams come true

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Pardom me maam...

But Dean would make Clinton look like Abraham Lincoln.

You think he would straighten things out? I didn't know they were broken in the first place?

[Howlin]

Well, you're probably not old enough to remember TOUCH TYPING..........LOL.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"I want to see a definition of what "general" welfare meant in the constitution."

Dig up Tom Jefferson and ask him, until then, the definition for general welfare is quite clear, and it includes helping the elderly of the nation from being forced into becoming charity cases, victims of circumstances beyond their control.

[Born in a Rage]

Here's why their was a 'tax increase'; it really wasn't - you'll see why.

MONTPELIER — Vermont will need to raise its income tax rate to ensure state coffers don’t lose millions when the Bush tax cut is enacted, Gov. Howard Dean said Thursday.

Initial estimates based on the tax bill passed by the U.S. House is that Vermont could lose $181 million in state tax dollars over the next four years.

“It is a significant amount of money,” Dean said after a meeting on the issue with House Speaker Walter Freed, R-Dorset. “This is not the kind of thing we can take lightly.”

The governor said he and the speaker agreed to ask the Legislature to give the state Emergency Board the authority to raise the state tax rate later this year once it becomes clear what Congress is going to do on tax cuts.

Dean said the aim was to ensure that Vermont’s income taxes generated what they would have raised if there were no federal tax cut.

“This is totally revenue neutral,” he said.

Vermont’s tax system is one of three in the nation in which taxpayers use their federal tax bill to calculate their state taxes. A Vermont taxpayer who owes the federal government $1,000 pays the state 24 percent of that total, which would be $240.

It is a simple system but is affected by every change that happens at the federal level. What Dean wants to do is adjust the state rate so the taxpayer who would have paid $240 before the federal tax cut still pays $240 after the federal tax cut.

[AppauledAtAppeasementConservat]

Now if we can just re-elect GWB and gain more Senate seats and isolating those DIMS and then impliment it.

I'd rather be worried about compromising within the conservative ranks than compromising with the Dims. That's exactly why we have gotten such crappy legislation like the medicare bill and CFR.

[Mo1]

He wants to break up big media outlets, not just Fox News.

AND Dean thinks people should be forced to join unions and I quote his words "Why should people get a free ride"

[Dane]

He does want to repeal the Bush tax cut because we have a major deficit. Maybe he'll cut some programs, too. He wants to break up big media outlets, not just Fox News. I haven't heard anything about cutting the military and eventually, yes, we'll have to pull out of Iraq....but not until all is secure over there

Dean will do like what every other demo does, decimate the military. Carter did it, Clinton did it, and Dean will do it. I am siding that you are being naive, but you seem like an educated person and I would think that you know the adage.

Fool me once(Carter), shame on you, fool me twice(Clinton) shame on me, fool me three times(Dean), I am a moron.

[jwalsh07]

So, the people who actually pay for these benefits would be refused access to the very benefits they fund?

I though I made myself clear but this is kind of ufn, being broached from the right and left on the same thread.

Those who need relief should get it, those that don't should not. My Christianity only informs me so far.

In short, folks are not entitled to any more of Sabertooths money than is required to care for those who can not care for themselves.

I draw the line at Cadillacs and flu shots at the Mayo Clinic instead of the rent a Docs.

[Born in a Rage]

Dean would make Clinton look like Abraham Lincoln.

The first black president Clinton would love that.....and a Republican to boot.

[Torie]

But Dean doesn't want to force the states to do anything about it, but he does. Dean is both for and against Taft Hartley. He is a veritable Hamlet on this one. To be or not to be. His discussion on this one was totally hilarious. Of course, Dean doesn't give a damn about this issue. He was just pandering to what he thought were the usual suspects, and thus ill prepared to say anything remotely coherent.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

One more point:

The deficit is the result of the sluggish economy brought on by the eventuality of the Clinton Administration, not because of government spending. In fact, we are spending about the same now as when the economy was raging out of control. The bubble popped, it crashed and now our Adult President is bringing it back to it's feet.

The deficit will repair itself once our economy stabilizes, thanks to the tax cuts. It's a proven economic reality since the beginning of time.

[Dane]

Uh in your reply #387, your itlaicized words are not mine from my reply #366.

IMO, you are being intentionally misleading, which is not surprising since you are being a Dean shill on this thread.

[Texasforever]

you read the article in the link I provided you'll see that some programs were cut, taxes were not raised, the legislature didn't pass any cigarette taxes....the state was short on funds but Dean insisted on a balanced budget - and got it.

You are omitting one small point. Vermont is 95% upper-middle class whites. There is NO constituency for "social" programs and NO political price to be paid for cutting them. Good lord man, even I could be a "successful" governor in a state like that. Dennis the menace Kunisich(sic) governed more people than Dean and he was a measly mayor. I think you are more drawn to his "maverick" persona than any other attribute. Just remember that another "maverick" is the reason we are dealing with CFR today. His name is McCain.... remember him?

[Born in a Rage]

AND Dean thinks people should be forced to join unions and I quote his words "Why should people get a free ride"

Well, that's just plain stupid, imho. A pretty radical, irrational thought. That's why I say I don't think I could vote for Dean. But, there are some things I like about him...just being honest.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Can't that section be interpreted as meaning that the government should provide free national health care to all citizens?"

If the problem is that the majority of citizens can no longer afford medical attention because they can't afford medical insurance, the cost of providing some sort of assistance, would be far less than the cost of the loss in productivity as a consequence of general lowered level health of the people.

"Or that they must provide a job to everyone?"

Well they sort of do that already, they manipulate the economy so that as many people as possible have jobs.

[Mo1]

He is a veritable Hamlet on this one. To be or not to be. His discussion on this one was totally hilarious. Of course, Dean doesn't give a damn about this issue. He was just pandering to what he thought were the usual suspects, and thus ill prepared to say anything remotely coherent.

To be or not to be .. That sounds about right

I just sat there shaking my head listening to the things he said ..

[MissAmericanPie]

Emails don't work, nor does snail mail. Has to be a phone call or your wasting your time.