[NewLand]

Clearly, it is the latter of those two choices...NO WAY are they rooting for another Dem to win...it's always all about THEM!

[Paleo Conservative]

This reminds me of the pre-1992 DemocRAT Party.

[I still care]

This makes me think about Hillary's visits to Afghanistan and Iraq. Amazingly to me, she has said we need to commit to them.

I wonder if she is positioning herself as the "anti Dean" candidate. Dean has put all his eggs in the anti war basket.

[Redbob]

Go, Howard, Go!

hehehehehe...

[river rat]

The Clintons may turn out to be the worst thing that ever happened to the Democrat part....

They lost the House and Senate under Clinton..
They lost the White House because of Clinton's record.
And now --- if they draft Hillary! at the convention - Dean and his leftists will run him as an Independent and split the Liberal/Marxist/Communist/Socialist/Hate America crowd and lose BIG TIME this go around..

Dubya's coat tails could spell ruin to the Democrats unfortunate enough to be up for reelection next November..

Dubya may secure a veto proof and filibuster proof congress...

ALL thanks to the Clintons....

Semper Fi

[Mo1]

"How can you compete with President Bush on the national security front? There is some concern about whether Dean can rise to the occasion on this issue," Panetta told the paper.

In his warning about Gov. Dean, Panetta hinted that he was carrying a message authored by his former boss, ex-President Bill Clinton. The former White House chief of staff acknowledged that he speaks regularly with the ex-president, who is said to be concerned about Dean's candidacy.

My .. My .. MY .. seems Dean is messing up their plans if Panetta is willing to give a little praise to Bush over national security

The attacks on Dean in the next few weeks should be pretty interesting

[SevenDaysInMay]

We have allowed our federal government to deteriorate into an encumbent royalty. Republicans are now by and large classical socialists. The Clintons' DNC-Politburo Democrat Party is criminally corrupt socislism, classic fascism. Classic criminals.

Dean is a loose cannon, little, but filled with rage. Just what the doctor ordered. The Clintons risk triangulating their America First Movement away from the 1/4th of American who want a command economy fitting into the world socialist movement holding hands in the UN's fairytale.

Dean appeals to the childish. The Clintons thrive supported by the apparatchik class.

The Clintons are more closely aligned with the Forbidden City's fascism which is making the elites billionaires through their "privately owned" businesses raking in trillions of dollars. What a scam. Why fool around with some S&L land deal in Arkansas.

Our children's children won't recognize the socialist nation which they will receive from their grandparents; liberties thrown away are only retaken with blood and treasure.

The UN and our "federal" government will not allow American liberties to be reestablished.

[McGavin999]

Uh oh, the Dean people had better check out the campaign planes before Dean takes off.

Hillary's trip to the middle east was to get photo ops with the leaders in that area. I think she's going to try for it in 2004 but the party may have a different idea. Dean may just take the party away from the Clintons.

Of course, with all the news coming out this week about the campagin scandals, she may just find herself in jail by election day.

[Starrgaizr]

Bill and Hill are merely preserving her options. They avoid having her be the focus of the nine dwarves during debates, so there is no reminders of her many faults from fellow Dems. If Bush looks beatable, she will enter. If not, she won't. But she can't wait forever to decide. That the Dem public rewards such sheer cynicism and opportunism (not to mention corruption) with adulation is the most disquieting thing in American politics. It is truly un-American. More suited to some banana republic or France.

[ctonious]

"There clearly are concerns about Dean's ability to appeal to the entire country, particularly on national security issues," former White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta told the Washington Times on Friday.

Panetta reminds me of the joke about the man who, upon reaching legal age, changed his name from Mr. Arthur Penis - to Mr. Art Penis. He has serious concerns about a left-wing, draft-dodging, anti-war candidate from the sideline state of Vermont, and instead preferred a left-wing, draft-dodging, anti-war candidate from the sideline state of Arkansas.

[CyberAnt]

Exactly .. and some of us here have been saying Hillary was planning on being drafted at the convention for a couple of years. She could not take the heat of a preconvention campaign. And .. she wants to be the NOMINEE for one reason .. she gets to have CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION not given to anyone but a presidential candidate.

She thinks this info will give her a leg up in defeating Bush .. just like she thought she could buy off or get rid of anybody who stood in her way.

If I was Dean .. I'd watch my back .. and I wouldn't be riding in any airplanes.

[Salvation]

Does Dean realize that he is on the wrong side of 'wxyz' here?

[Fledermaus]

Either they actually want to see Democrats win in 2004 [a development that would shut down Mrs. Clinton's presidential ambitions till 2012]. Or Bill and Hillary are stacking the deck for a presidential draft sometime before next July's Democratic convention.

I'm sick of editorializing in reporting, from any source. The idea that a winning Democrat in 2004 would "shut down" Hillary's presidential run for 2008 is an opinion. And I think nonesense.

This would assume a great first administration and an easy victory for the Dem candidate in 2008? Why? What if it is Dean and he fails miserably? Hillary would run against him in the primary in 2008 and be treated like a centrist and another John McCain, blah, blah, blah.

And she'd gain more power in the Senate amongst the minority and win reelection probably in 2006 and maybe even become Minority Leader. This would again solidify the perception of a centrist that would "save" the Dems in 2008 from the far left wacko in the White House. And you still have Billy out there yapping his gums.

I don't buy into the "conventional wisdom" that a Dean or Clark or even Gephardt winning in 2004 would lock her out until 2012.

[RJayneJ]

Quote of the Day by Sapper26

[Timesink]

Either they actually want to see Democrats win in 2004 [a development that would shut down Mrs. Clinton's presidential ambitions till 2012]. Or Bill and Hillary are stacking the deck for a presidential draft sometime before next July's Democratic convention.

NEITHER of these hypotheses makes much sense if you're in favor of a President Hillary. The former is loony for all the obvious reasons. I agree with the poster above that said there's no theoretical reason why Hillary couldn't beat a weak incumbent Dem president in 2008, but I strongly disagree that the Clintonistas would even be considering such a ploy, because it's simply never happened in modern political history. When the public gets fed up enough with a first-term president to toss him out, they toss him out for his opponent from the other party, because the incumbent's party always sticks by their guy. (Even Fat Ted couldn't steal the RAT nomination from Jimmy Carter in 1980, and Carter was just about the most hapless, vulnerable first-term president that's existed in any of our lifetimes.) The only way that even Queen Hillary could steal the 2008 nomination from an incumbent RAT is if that given president turned out to be so stunningly inept at the job that America by 2007 was in the midst of a second Great Depression, continual riots in the streets and regular inside-the-homeland terrorist attacks all at the same time. And let's face it, we all know Kucinich isn't going to be elected in November 2004. ;)

As for the second scenario: There's just not going to be any DNC convention draft, unless no one candidate goes into it controlling enough delegates to win on the first ballot ... and that is a) EXTREMELY unlikely (it hasn't happened for decades, due to changes in the primary system that make it almost impossible for convention time to come around without SOMEONE having locked up enough delegates), and b) something the Clintonistas don't have any particular control over. A lot of people don't seem to understand that the conventions of today are not like the conventions of fifty years ago. Today, delegates in almost all states are legally required to vote for their chosen candidate on the first ballot, so if Dean - or anyone else - goes in with a majority, he gets the nomination automatically, and the entire rest of the convention is nothing but a three-day-long orgy of free political advertising (or bad press, depending on how they comport themselves).

I think what's really going on here, while sneaky, is really quite simple: The Clintonistas know that Dean's a bullheaded jerk who doesn't like being told what to do by anyone, and especially doesn't like being told what to do by scumbag Clintonistas, who he hates about as much as we do. So the Hillary crowd is just prodding Dean; they believe (probably correctly) that if they tell Dean to be more moderate, that just makes him all the more likely to stay the hard-left course. Which, of course, will guarantee a Bush victory and leave 2008 open for Hillary.

[Toespi]

One big problem for Hillary....Guiliani could rock her world in the 2006 Senatorial bid. Nah, I think if she is going to run, it has to be in 2004 against Bush, too much can happen in the next four years and she knows it.

[.cnI redruM]

It's actually an intelligent and diabolical strategy for more centrist Democrats to let the 9 dwarfs court all the activists and then saw them off the far left branch. The entire point, if any, behind the DLC was to move the party back to the center.

Right now, Dem presidential rallies attract the same crowds you'd get at a Phish concert where free acid was handed out at the turnstiles. By letting a candidate run on this particular demographic and then stabbing him in the back, it will hopefully make the Dems become a somewhat more realistic bunch.

[Mia T]

Panetta's comments follow closely on the heels of an attack on Dean by top Hillary Clinton strategist Harold Ickes, who complained to Time magazine two weeks ago that the Vermont governor was "quick of lip, and quick of temper and stubborn."

Panetta Warning Reveals Widening Dean-Clinton Rift

...as opposed to???

 

"She is angry. Not all the time.
But most of the time."

author Gail Sheehy
Hillary's Choice
(New York: Random House, 1999) p. 11

"[Hillary Clinton] is in a perpetual
state of suspended anger...."

former Clinton adviser to author Gail Sheehy
Hillary's Choice
(New York: Random House, 1999) p. 139

"Hillary hit him between the eyes. She was angrier than Paul had ever seen her. 'You f**king Jew bastard!' she screamed."

author Jerry Oppenheimer
quoting campaign aide Paul Fray
State of a Union
(New York: Harper-Collins, 2000) p. 153

[W]hen White House Counsel... Abner Mikva finally bowed to the law and delivered subpoenaed documents, she and her White House scandal team lashed at him with such a vicious streak of humiliating profanity that he resigned.

Barbara Olson
Hell to Pay
(Washington, D.C.: Regnery, 1999) p. 5

"Anyone that stood up... was smashed down and belittled,very personally. [N]ot only would she sort of humiliate you in front of your colleagues or whoever happened to be around, Hillary tended to kind of campaign against people behind their back, and that was certainly my experience."

former Clinton press secretary Dee Dee Myers
PBS Frontline, 16 Jan 2001
The Clinton Years

Longtime Hillary aide Carolyn Huber, who saved Mrs. Clinton's buns in 1996 with a convenient cover story about how her mysterious Rose Law Firm billing records magically appeared in the White House book room, described the former first lady's fits of rage to Sheehy as nearly lethal. "The person on the receiving end never gets over it," Huber remembered, reportedly shivering as she spoke those words.

Hillary's Scheme
(New York: Crown Forum, 2003) p. 88
Hillary's Choice
(New York: Random House, 1999) p. 11

The rages continued even after Mrs. Clinton took up residence in the White House, where she blew up at a Secret Service agent for declining to carry her bags. When the agent explained that he needed to keep his hands free in order to protect her, she replied, "If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king ass over here and grab those bags."

Joyce Milton
First Partner
(New York: William Morrow, 1999) p. 259

 

clinton's tin ear, foul mouth and malignant essence are legendary.
Her empty head should be.
I doubt that she gets it, even now.

I am reminded of the final scene in "The Dead Zone."

Christopher Walken unmasks a narcissistic politico running for the Senate (aptly played by Martin Sheen) as the dangerous, self-serving demagogue that he is.

The dangerous demagogue, realizing that he's finished, blows himself away... a perfect ending....

The only problem with this analogy is that clinton is--both clintons are--far too self-absorbed to see the cooked goose beyond their collective fat a$$... and too craven to do anything about it, in any case....

 

  ABOUT FACE
His rage...
Her rage...
A distinction without
a difference.

The clintons are ignoble,
narcissistic,
craven, gutless
and full of rage.
As are all rapists....



Poetic justice in the end.
The clintons will become prisoners
-- Cartesian and Freudian --
of their own depravity.

Imprisoned in the hermetic confines
of an evil, narcissistic life,
their world will finally and fittingly
become as small as they,
themselves, are.

hillary's Treasonous Turkey_bump

Who in his right mind would ever want the clintons back in the Oval Office?
More to the point:
Who in his right mind would ever want the treasonous clintons unconfined?

hillary talks update
(schemes and themes)

missus clinton's REAL virtual office update
http://hillarytalks.blogspot.com
http://virtualhillary.blogspot.com
http://virtualclintonlibrary.blogspot.com
http://www.hillarytalks.us
http://www.hillarytalks.org
fiendsofhillary.blogspot.com
fiendsofhillary.us
fiendsofhillary.org
fraudsofhillary.com
 

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		copyright Mia T 2003

Lib Author Regrets Voting (TWICE!) for clinton
"Sickened" by clinton's Failure to Protect America from Terrorism


MUST-READ BOOK FOR DEMOCRATS:
How clintons' Failures Unleashed Global Terror


The Man Who Warned America
(Why a Rapist is Not a Fit President)


UDAY: "The end is near… this time I think the… Americans are serious, Bush is not like Clinton."


eyes wide shut (she knew… she raped, too)


A '68 Mustang is not exculpatory

missus clinton's REAL virtual office update


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[Liz]

Ickes also criticized Dean for repeatedly telling audiences that he wants to win support from Southerners who drive pick-up trucks sporting Confederate flags, grousing, "In another time, the Confederate-flag story would have taken him down the drain."

Ahhhh........the waning days of political correctness......

[1Old Pro]

DEAN - MCGOVERN

[Pagey]

What is interesting to point out, is that when Dean loses or suffers an 'accident' ala Vince Foster, Terry McAWFULiffe will still be in charge of the Demoncratic party. LOL