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Panel calls for neutral bathrooms ("Transgender" Loony Alert!)
Chicago Maroon ^ | 11/21/03 | Robert Katz

Posted on 11/21/2003 1:59:13 PM PST by MikalM

For most people, deciding which bathroom to use in the Regenstein Library does not require mental gymnastics. But for some, a trip to the restroom is less simple, with gay, lesbian, and transgendered students worried about the implications of which bathrooms they enter.

At the Center for Gender Studies on Wednesday night, a panel of four discussed the need for gender-neutral bathrooms on campus, specifically one in the Regenstein and one in Cobb Hall.

Members of Feminist Majority, Queers & Associates, and the Center for Gender Studies organized the panel as part of the Coalition for a Queer Safe Campus.
“Going to the bathroom is a moment where definition is very important in choosing a door,” said Mary Anne Case, one of the panelists.

She pointed out that many women’s restrooms have a caricature of a person in a dress on it. “Going into it implies that we are willing to be associated with that image. There are only two [images] to choose from. This moment involves an act of self-labeling.”

The bathrooms would materially remain the same, but both sexes would be allowed to use either one. There are already bathrooms like this in Pierce and BJ.

Bill Michel, deputy dean of the College, said that the University was just beginning to research the issue. “I was pleased that the students organized on open panel discussion to highlight the issues and encourage community discussion on the topic,” he said. “If we are to make this change it would be in order to meet the needs of members of our community.”

Michel said that he would review the practical issues and assess the impact of the change with the students who made the request.

Ana Minyan, the moderator of the panel, said that bathrooms will be called gender-neutral, rather than co-ed, because, “this terminology is generally used to refer to two sexes while the gender-neutral tends to be associated with more diversity and fluidity within the sex-gender continuum. As our aim is to make everyone, no matter what their gender and/or sexual persona is, more comfortable, we are using the term gender-neutral.”

The panelists pointed out that many of the supposed benefits of gender-segregated bathrooms are in fact weaknesses of the system. Case, who is involved with ongoing anecdotal research on gender iniquities in bathroom allotments, called her research “the toilet survey” to ridicule the disadvantages associated with conception of separate but equal.

The questionnaire asks patrons at restaurants, stadiums, and other public places to mark how many stalls and urinals are in their restroom. It also asks what additional “services” each offers (mirror, attendant, baby-changing table, etc.).

Case said that the safety of these bathrooms that appeals to many women is, in fact, an illusion. She pointed out that much male-on-female violence occurs in women’s bathrooms, perhaps because of this illusion.

“People get all worked up about [women having their own space], but then they realize it’s not as perfect as they thought,” said panelist Naomi Sobel.
“Gender is what is being policed in women’s and men’s restrooms, not sex—people react to your presentation, not your genitals,” Sobel added via e-mail.
An issue that emerged from discussion several times was the “dailyness,” or the frequency with which one is confronted with the fear of ridicule for walking into the wrong bathroom.

Red Vaughan Tremmel, another panelist, said that she knew someone who was making a cross-country road-trip and bought an RV to avoid using public bathrooms. “At first, my reaction was, ‘Oh wow, what a great idea,’ but then I thought, ‘Wow that’s sad that someone would have to go to such lengths to feel comfortable,’” she said.

Nate Claxton, another panelist, knew people who had contracted bladder infections because choosing a gender bathroom bothered them so much that they did not go to the bathroom all day.

Reaction around campus to the idea of gender-neutral bathroom was mixed. Roger Simon, a second-year in the College, agreed with the idea. “I believe that if all parts of the body were treated equally, and there was not so much emphasis on genitalia, than people could move beyond gender differences and grow mentally and socially,” he said.

Sheera Talpaz, a first-year in the College, added, “You might have a hard time getting most people to use those bathrooms, which would alienate the people you’re trying to help out.”


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1 posted on 11/21/2003 1:59:14 PM PST by MikalM
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To: MikalM
FTS. Just go out back then.
2 posted on 11/21/2003 2:00:38 PM PST by leadpencil1 (Kill your television)
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To: MikalM
The fact that we have to educate college students to use the mens bathroom if you have male parts and the womens bathroom if you have female parts makes me weep for the future of this country.

3 posted on 11/21/2003 2:02:29 PM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: MikalM
more diversity and fluidity within the sex-gender continuum

Sex-gender CONTINUUM??? You mean there's an infinite number of combinations between male and female? You're either a MAN, a WOMAN, or an IT.

4 posted on 11/21/2003 2:02:51 PM PST by craig_eddy
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To: Bikers4Bush
Aye...
5 posted on 11/21/2003 2:02:57 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: MikalM
Does MJ qualify?


6 posted on 11/21/2003 2:04:36 PM PST by metalboy (I`m still waiting for the mass protests against Al Qaida and Saddam)
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To: MikalM
This moment involves an act of self-labeling

I never realized that deciding which restroom to use required such profound though. So the women's room image has a dress on it? Who cares? When you gotta go, ya gotta go, and I'm not going to spend any time agonizing over "self-labeling".

7 posted on 11/21/2003 2:04:46 PM PST by .38sw
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To: MikalM
She pointed out that many women’s restrooms have a caricature of a person in a dress on it. “Going into it implies that we are willing to be associated with that image. There are only two [images] to choose from. This moment involves an act of self-labeling.”

The horror. The absolute horror.

8 posted on 11/21/2003 2:05:42 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: MikalM
Does this mean that if I wear a dress I can go into the women's bathroom?

What if a woman is wearing slacks or jeans?

Maybe they should try to fit into NORMAL society instead of trying to fit society into them.
9 posted on 11/21/2003 2:06:20 PM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: MikalM
She pointed out that many women’s restrooms have a caricature of a person in a dress on it. “Going into it implies that we are willing to be associated with that image. There are only two [images] to choose from. This moment involves an act of self-labeling.”

Unbelievable idiocy.
10 posted on 11/21/2003 2:06:46 PM PST by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: metalboy

11 posted on 11/21/2003 2:06:46 PM PST by metalboy (I`m still waiting for the mass protests against Al Qaida and Saddam)
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To: goldstategop
“Going to the bathroom is a moment where definition is very important in choosing a door,” said Mary Anne Case, one of the panelists..."

There's only one gender-neutral door the trans-genders need- the EXIT.
12 posted on 11/21/2003 2:07:04 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Demokkkrats and their 'Conscience of the Senate'--- KKK Byrd)
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To: MikalM
I suggest these people organize a panel in some third world country. They can explain to the third worlders that life in America is very difficult because we have male and female bathrooms. The reaction should be interesting.
13 posted on 11/21/2003 2:08:36 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: hellinahandcart
"This moment involves an act of self-labeling."

How about 'nutbar'?
14 posted on 11/21/2003 2:08:48 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Demokkkrats and their 'Conscience of the Senate'--- KKK Byrd)
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To: MikalM
She pointed out that many women’s restrooms have a caricature of a person in a dress on it. “Going into it implies that we are willing to be associated with that image. There are only two [images] to choose from. This moment involves an act of self-labeling.”

Yes, that's sooooooooo judgmental. Like, amputees have to choose between caricatures of people with all four limbs intact. That is, like, so unfair, you know?

15 posted on 11/21/2003 2:08:58 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: MikalM
But for some, a trip to the restroom is less simple, with gay, lesbian, and transgendered students worried about the implications of which bathrooms they enter.

Hmm, in the "good old days", people didn't seem to have a problem deciding on which bathroom to use.

16 posted on 11/21/2003 2:09:03 PM PST by usadave
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To: MikalM
There's an old New York Irish saying that is appropriate here.

To the confused:

Go sh%t in your hat.

17 posted on 11/21/2003 2:09:16 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: MikalM
"gay, lesbian, and transgendered students worried about the implications of which bathrooms they enter"

So long as there not entering mine I don't give a damn.
18 posted on 11/21/2003 2:09:32 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: MikalM
Nate Claxton, another panelist, knew people who had contracted bladder infections because choosing a gender bathroom bothered them so much that they did not go to the bathroom all day.

He KNOWS people (PLURAL) who have contracted bladder infections because they can't choose a "gender" bathroom? What kind of pathetic people are these?!! I don't know a single person who has that kind of a problem and I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. But then, I don't usually hang out with the transgender crowd...

19 posted on 11/21/2003 2:09:52 PM PST by .38sw
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To: MikalM
Reaction around campus to the idea of gender-neutral bathroom was mixed. Roger Simon, a second-year in the College, agreed with the idea. “I believe that if all parts of the body were treated equally, and there was not so much emphasis on genitalia, than people could move beyond gender differences and grow mentally and socially,” he said.

"Plus I could grab some tail anytime I go to the bathroom," Roger added.

20 posted on 11/21/2003 2:12:17 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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