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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18
Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/14/2003 2:06:57 AM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)

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Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)

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Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from conspiracyworld.com, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.

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Ckick on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO terrisfight.org for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)



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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
You said- 'So how's Roy doing? I hope he doesn't have a feeding tube.'

the same thought when through my mind when I was watching this.....but ya know if he is on a ventilator I would say there is a good possibilty that he has a tube.......I do not think g-tube should be referred to as artifical life support...Most times things such as ensure insure etc are put in these tubes for the feedings but lots of people also drink ensure etc as a supplement to their meals ..it is not artificial
361 posted on 11/14/2003 8:21:34 PM PST by fiesti
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To: lilypad
"Does anyone know anything about this Judge Baird?"

There was an article posted about a week ago on him. Can't recall where right off hand. If I run across it, I will post it here.

362 posted on 11/14/2003 8:24:36 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
The real-life story of Annie Shapiro - who fell into a coma at age 50 in 1963 - is more remarkable than the movie based on her miraculous re-awakening. When she suddenly awoke nearly 30 years later in 1992, she was a 79-year-old granny, devastated by her appearance and the way the world had changed.


oohhhhh this sounds like would be a great movie.do you know the name of it
363 posted on 11/14/2003 8:27:08 PM PST by fiesti
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To: Krodg
She was complaining during therapy

I just hate it when the cabbages do that in my kitchen.

364 posted on 11/14/2003 8:28:20 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. An unashamed Godsquadder)
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To: FatherOfLiberty
"Note - "presumptively unconstitutional".

Certainly seems to me that that statement should disqualify him. I'm no law scholar, but it appears to me to reflect bias that is unacceptable in a judge; well, unacceptable by the standards of reasonable and decent people anyway.

365 posted on 11/14/2003 8:31:34 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: fiesti
No, I sure dom't.
366 posted on 11/14/2003 8:32:57 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
LOL It took me a minute to realize what you meant...guess my mind refuses to consider a person a 'vegetable'.
367 posted on 11/14/2003 8:34:50 PM PST by Krodg
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To: Ohioan from Florida
For example, even if they want to move Terri out of hospice, they have to have that approved by the court.

That would seem to be a no brainer because it's illegal for her to be in the hospice. But since when did that stop Greer.

368 posted on 11/14/2003 8:35:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. An unashamed Godsquadder)
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To: FatherOfLiberty
"What about the part "to have and to hold 'til death do us part?"

Cut the guy some slack. He's working on that part as hard as he can.

369 posted on 11/14/2003 8:35:59 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: pollywog
A few days ago I read someplace that Mr. Schindler is being treated for high blood pressure and his doctor had ordered rest. He was quite ill. He will be on Larry King when he has improved. Wish I could recall where I read this.
370 posted on 11/14/2003 8:38:11 PM PST by fabriclady
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To: pc93
Second: If you have a prayer request please post it. Because I will be printing them and taking them to Africa with me. There will be over 7,000,000 people there in one service and I have been asked to speak. After I speak I will ask all 7,000,000 to pray for these prayer requests. Just think about it. Can you imagine what will happen when 7,000,000 people are praying for you and your family.

7 million people. That's bigger than the touted Promise Keepers rally which met in Washington DC several years ago. Speak of which, where are these guys now -- if they want to be at the site of the most pitched spiritual battle in the country shouldn't they consider putting in an appearance in Clearwater?

371 posted on 11/14/2003 8:39:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. An unashamed Godsquadder)
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To: pollywog
Here you go, pollowog:

Chicago Tribune State to probe family's claim of spousal abuse Agency to protect the disabled could have decisive role By Michael Martinez and Patrick Kampert, Tribune staff reporters. Michael Martinez reported from Florida and Patrick Kampert from Chicago Published October 23, 2003 PINELLAS PARK, Fla. -- A state protection agency for disabled persons on Wednesday was planning to launch an investigation into alleged spousal abuse against Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged woman whose feeding tube was reinserted this week after intervention by the Florida Legislature and Gov. Jeb Bush. The investigation by the Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities, an agency mandated in states and funded by Congress, could play a decisive role in a revived legal battle over who should be the guardian of the 39-year-old Schiavo--her husband or her parents. Terri Schiavo was moved Wednesday for the second time in two days -- this time back to a Pinellas Park hospice where she was receiving nourishment again through a feeding tube. Later, Robert Schindler, her father, said he, his wife and son visited Schiavo for about 45 minutes. The family was annoyed, Schindler said, that Schiavo had been moved from the hospital in nearby Clearwater where she had been taken Tuesday. Schindler said he was happy to see his daughter, but "she looked to me like a person who has the flu". He called his daughter "a really tired girl" and said he was struck by redness in her eyes. Her parents also had been upset by the earlier decision of Michael Schiavo, Terri Schiavo's husband and guardian, to bar them from visiting her in the hospital in Clearwater. "Nothing's different. It's been that way for 10 years," Schindler said of the battle between his family and Michael Schiavo over whether Terri Schiavo should be kept alive with a feeding tube or allowed to die. " He made his comments outside the hospice, where Terri Schiavo had spent a week after a court approved removal of her feeding tube. Even though lawmakers and Bush passed a law Tuesday authorizing the reinsertion of the feeding tube, her husband has authority, as guardian, to determine who is allowed to visit her. Family alleges abuse The Schindler family has accused Michael Schiavo of abuse and neglect as guardian, and the state protection agency's independent investigation could play a major role in removal of the husband as guardian -- as well as shed light on how he managed funds during the guardianship. Terri Schiavo's husband and her parents have been estranged for a decade while wrangling over her fate; Michael Schiavo said his wife told him she didn't want extended life support, but her parents have disagreed and have sought to keep her connected to a tube. The law signed Tuesday by Bush requires the chief judge of Pinellas County Circuit Court to begin proceedings to appoint an independent guardian. The husband's attorney has called the law unconstitutional and is expected to initiate a challenge. The chief judge Wednesday scheduled a Nov. 5 court hearing and has recommended Jay Wolfson, a public health professor at the University of South Florida, as guardian if the in-laws cannot agree on a new guardian. The governor's order of reinsertion of the feeding tube has bought time for the advocacy center to conduct its investigation as to whether Terri Schiavo has been a victim of abuse and neglect in the past 10 years. Under federal law, the agency is granted strong investigative powers, including examining medical and court-sealed guardian financial records, and its findings of abuse or neglect would be conclusive and pre-emptive of any court or other agency determination, said Patricia Anderson, an attorney for the Schindlers. It was unclear why the agency hadn't launched an investigation earlier in the case of Terri Schiavo, who went into a persistent vegetative state after a heart attack induced by a misdiagnosed potassium imbalance in 1990. The `big sharks' of disability "They are referred to as the `big sharks' in the disability field," Anderson said of the agency. "What we have here is a guardianship system that discriminates against disabled people." Richard LaBelle, a lawyer and agency board member who is involved in the investigation, said this week's events will aid the investigation. "I think to the extent that Terri is still alive and will be receiving food and water -- we think that's a positive development," he said. LaBelle said he did not know how long the probe would take, saying it depends on how much cooperation the agency receives in obtaining Terri Schiavo's medical records and its access to individuals on both sides of the court fight. For his part, Michael Schiavo said Wednesday through his attorney that he is outraged that the legislative and executive branches would overturn a judge's order that had allowed the feeding tube to be removed. "It was just an absolute trampling of her personal rights and her dignity," Michael Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos, said on NBC's "Today." "We believe that a court sooner or later, we hope sooner, will find this law to be unconstitutional." Felos added it was "an absolute horrible tragedy for Terri Schiavo, literally being abducted from her deathbed and her death process." Terri Schiavo already was showing signs of organ failure, Felos said. The lawyer for the parents, however, said that Felos has no medical background to make such a claim. One legal expert, Marc Spindelman, an Ohio State University law professor who specializes in death-and-dying issues, said much is riding on what the advocacy center finds in its probe into claims by Terri Schiavo's parents that her husband abused and neglected her. Michael Schiavo and his attorney have strongly denied those accusations. "Should there be a determination that the allegations against Michael Schiavo are factually supported, it might be the case that the dispute gets resolved by more informal means," Spindelman said. Some experts are viewing the case as if it's a foregone conclusion that the courts will overturn the new law, under the assumption that Bush and the Legislature overruled the courts. But that is not necessarily true, said Andrew Koppelman, a constitutional law expert at Northwestern University. "I don't understand what separation of powers has to do with it," he said. "Some law is going to govern how people behave tomorrow. The Legislature has to have power to legislate today about what we do tomorrow, and that power is not taken away by the fact that the judiciary said something else yesterday." Koppelman added that the Legislature's action may have aided the Schindlers' case. "If there is a dispute about the constitutionality of the legislation or anything else having to do with the appropriateness of intervention, the court's first duty is to make sure neither side suffers irreparable injury that couldn't be remedied by subsequent litigation," he said. Thus, the argument could be made that to remove nutrition and hydration before the case winds it way through the courts would cause Terri Schiavo to suffer "irreparable injury," experts said. Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune

372 posted on 11/14/2003 8:43:17 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: pollywog
Sorry for the format, polly ... it looked okay in the preview ...
373 posted on 11/14/2003 8:44:50 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"STANFORD, Calif. - Bone marrow cells can fuse with specialized brain cells, possibly bolstering the brain cells or repairing damage, according to research from the Stanford University School of Medicine. This finding helps resolve an ongoing debate: Do adult stem cells transform from bone marrow cells into other cell types, such as brain, muscle or liver cells, or do they fuse with those cells to form a single entity with two nuclei? The research shows that for complex brain cells called Purkinje cells, fusion is the normal pathway"

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031016063728.htm

374 posted on 11/14/2003 8:48:22 PM PST by Aliska
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To: shhrubbery!
Thanks for the info, Shhrub.
375 posted on 11/14/2003 8:48:49 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
Ping to post #150, if you haven't seen it already. That favorable ruling for the Schindlers on the guardianship issue was just show.
376 posted on 11/14/2003 8:51:22 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Dear God, will these "PEOPLE" never stop?
377 posted on 11/14/2003 8:57:03 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Budge
Apparently not, but by an act of God, which I pray will be forthcoming.
378 posted on 11/14/2003 8:58:45 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands; sweetliberty
Flat out Ron Stewart said that Greers office said that he won't do anything until AFTER the Jeb Bush case is decided.

Also the only people who get to know when a hearing is scheduled are the lawyers. The public does not have any need to know when hearings are scheduled. If we want to find out when the next hearing is scheduled we will have to get it from Terrisight.Orgs web site as Ron says he thinks Terri's lawyers are putting the information there.

Bare with me cause I haven't had much time to read the threads

But if he is delaying because of Jeb Bush .. then why did he appoint a Guardian Ad Litem??

As for the trial dates .. can't a Freedom of Information Act be filed to get the info

And why the secrecy on a Court date?

379 posted on 11/14/2003 9:00:57 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1
The deeper we dig the more rotten the stench.
380 posted on 11/14/2003 9:03:47 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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