Panel Rules Justice Moore Failed to Respect & Comply with Law; Judge removed from Supreme Court

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[Theodore R.]

No, I think Goldwater supported his old colleague Dole in 1996. But Dole is the only presidential Republican since Dewey to lose AZ. It was a Democrat candidate for Congress, Karen English, that Goldwater supported in 1992 in opposition to the GOP candidate Doug Wead, who was part of the "Religious Right."

[CobaltBlue]

Capital = capitol.

[Al Simmons]

"I loathe and despise Hillary. I fear her.
I loathe, despise and fear Mr. Moore and his demogogic ilk even more."

Of course you mean MICHAEL Moore in your above comment, right?

[Theodore R.]

GOP candidate Doug Wead

No, I don't think that is the name of the Republican congressional nominee that Goldwater opposed in 1992 after all. But the nominee was a part of the "Religious Right."

[Al Simmons]

Goldwater said in early '96 that "they should leave Clinton alone", and said some other nice things about him; he then suffered a stroke and died (I believe) before the election. Ergo he was in position to "support Dole", who was the absolute WORST example of nomination by seniority since, well, the guy that he looks like physically - Warren G. Harding. Its people like Bobdole who kept giving in to the psycopathic vampires of the left, year after year, fighting rearguard action after rearguard action instead of taking the fight to the enemy, as RR, GWB and TR did.

(Be very careful from now on. TR is my hero; I have read most of his books, as well as books about him - and being that you've purloined his moniker I might just start "monitoring" your posts to make sure that they are "Rooseveltian" enough :0)

[Al Simmons]

Errata: I meant to say that, owing to his stroke and then death, Goldwater was NOT in a position to support Dole in '96....

[Servant of the 9]

Of course you mean MICHAEL Moore in your above comment, right?

They are both evil con men who are willing to damage the fabric of our nation for their own agrandizement.
How can you choose?

If the filmaker came to power, I would doubtless be sent to a 'reeducation/forced labor camp'.

If the former Judge came to power I would doubtless be burned at the stake or tortured until I 'converted' to whatever sect of Christianity it is he advocates.

So9

[Theodore R.]

Hi, Al, Goldwater died in 1998. Goldwater cut a commercial for Bob Dole in Dole's tight 1974 reelection race, while Goldwater was running again himself at the same time. It did seem that in his later years, Goldwater went way off the deep end. If I had a collection of political photos on my wall and Goldwater was among them, I would have taken that one off the way long ago.

As far as "Theodore R" I was thinking of "Theodore "Beaver" Cleaver when I adopted that name. Then I just put an "R" after it, thinking Republican. Now I see that it could also have been "Theodore Roosevelt."

[Theodore R.]

Yes, it was Doug Wead that Goldwater refused to support. I looked it up. Wead got only 41 percent in the Sicth District, now represented by Jeff Flake, R-AZ.

[Al Simmons]

You're kidding, right? You are aware that all the fredoms you enjoy as an American came DIRECTLY out of Biblical roots, implemented by men who - to a man - would be called "religious right wing zealots" today, aren't you?

Are you aware that our president, GWB, IS the "religious right wing"? (just so that you don't misunderstand, I believe that 90% of the people classified as "right-wing-bible-thumping-evangelicals" by the no-nothings of the liberal elite are in fact patriotic Americans with faith in God and love for their fellow man, as exemplified by our president.)

Please don't say you're one of those "secular conservatives" who believes in economic conservatism and libertarianism everywhere else. If you are, I am hazarding a guess that you are from one of the "blue zones" along the coasts that went for algore with such blind passion, and that you don't have much of a clue as to what REAL America (ie. "flyover country") is like....

[FrankR]

"It is time for a National Christian Boycott... Now, how do we do it??? "

Here are a few of my thoughts and ideas on it:

We could mail all the seven "justices" something with the Ten Commandments inscribed on it. Not just a letter...something solid and substantial. Flood them with thousands of these items. At the same time, notify as many news outlets [and the ACLU] as you can that you have done this.
or
Give only Christian items as Christmas presents. If the store where you shop doesn't carry any, let them know that you will shop somewhere that does carry items like, Bibles, Crosses, etc.

We need to do something that shows the impact of a Christian protest in terms of dollars and cents...as it seems that the love of money is the root of all government corruption...maybe that will make them take notice.

This will be the "camels nose under the tent" if it's not nipped in the bud now. Next, the ACLU will be insisting on closing all churches.

We just showed what a mass protest can do by bombarding the network about the Reagan film...attack en masse.

[usadave]

The courts have been very lenient with Moore because he is an obvious lunatic.

If Moore is a lunatic, then so were Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hamilton, Paine, Madison ...

[CobaltBlue]

"no-nothings" = Know-Nothings. A 19th century political party that believed that immigrants and Catholics should not vote or hold public office.

No, I doubt very much that I would consider the Founding Fathers to be evangelicals "to a man." Most were Christians, some more devout than others, some were deists.

The moral and legal sources upon which the Foundation rests are several, and include ancient Rome, ancient Greece, and principles of the Enlightenment, as well as religion.

[Snidely Whiplash]

This isn't about Judge Moore, or a monument, it is about "State's Rights,"

There you're wrong. This is ALL about Roy Moore. There will possibly be a book deal, but I'm as certain (as I can be about future events) that Roy Moore will be running for governor of Alabama. And if you think this debacle has nothing to do with that, you (not necessarily you personally) are as nuts as he is.

Snidely

[Robert_Paulson2]

... except for a minor detail...
he has been disbarred... he is now DONE with his legal career.

[Servant of the 9]

You're kidding, right? You are aware that all the fredoms you enjoy as an American came DIRECTLY out of Biblical roots, implemented by men who - to a man - would be called "religious right wing zealots" today, aren't you?

No, I am aware that all the freedoms we enjoy came directly out of the English Enlightenment, and the abandonment of primitive superstition.

I know what GWB is, I have known his family most of my life.

I believe that 90% of the people classified as "right-wing-bible-thumping-evangelicals" by the no-nothings of the liberal elite are in fact patriotic Americans with faith in God and love for their fellow man, as exemplified by our president.)

I think at least 50% of 'Evangelical Christians' are Christians out of hope of seeing their fellow man suffer in hell, not love of God or mankind. They are haters as vicious as the Spanish Inquisition or the KGB.
They would happily burn every single person who doesn't worship at their church at the stake and toast marchmallows over the coals.

Please don't say you're one of those "secular conservatives" who believes in economic conservatism and libertarianism everywhere else. If you are, I am hazarding a guess that you are from one of the "blue zones" along the coasts that went for algore with such blind passion, and that you don't have much of a clue as to what REAL America (ie. "flyover country") is like....

Yes, I am a Secular Conservative just like Barry Goldwater, and I am from Houston. You don't guess very well.

So9

[Fearless Flyers]

"Moore went out of his way to mention that there was a statue of a Greek Goddess (I think he said Athena) in the courtyard of the District Court. Said he could care less. Didn't make him worry about justice."

Judge Moore has made this statement from the beginning. I remember him making it over a year ago. But this doesn't fall into line with what the media wants to portray. Repeating the quote would make it appear the Judge is not some whacked out fundamentalist and that he actually bases his decisions on sound thoughts. It would show the Judge to be the Constitutionalist he has always said he is.

Then these forums wouldn’t be able to fill up with excuses spewed from those too cowardly to take a stand, but still arrogant enough to show their stupidity. Multiculturalism would loose its voice in the discussion. The 1st and 10th amendments would dominate and the 14th wouldn’t have any position at all.

[E Rocc]

Christians have the same right to use public facilities for religious activities as Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Pagans, Wiccans, Zoroasterians, etc....

His point was that they don't. The Christians that is. Can you point to a single case where any of those named above were denied use of government facilities, except for those deemed Christian, like the Boy Scouts?

I've never heard of a case where they were granted use of such facilities, and Christians were not. Personally, I'd be willing to let Christian groups use public parks and the like, as long as the others were allowed to as well. Equal treatment is consistent with the Establishment clause, while any sort of special treatment (positive or negative) violates it.

-Eric

[xzins]

They specifically asked him if he would insist on acknowledging God. He said "yes" and that is why they said that he showed no "contrition." In order to keep his job, they essentially asked him to deny God. He said he wouldn't do it, and they fired him.


Now, you must understand that Moore pointed out that on his way into the District Court he noticed a statue of a Greek Goddess in their courtyard....he said, I think, that it was Athena.

That makes it clear that all Moore was doing was exercising his free speech as chief officer of the building over which he had been appointed authority. If one building manager's tastes go to Athena, then certainly another can go to the 10 c's of the "God" who is mentioned throughout our system.

Our courts open with "God save the court." In court they swear, "so help me God" with their hands on bibles. Our money says "in God we trust." Our pledge says, "Under God." Our anthem says "in God we trust." Our motto is, "In God we trust." Our declaration of independence says, "endowed by their Creator." Alabama's constitution says, "invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God."

I am not the nut. The nuts are those who say that those above references to God that DO exist actually don't exist. It is a weird tap dance on the head of a pin as you listen to folks answer the question "Do those acknowledge the existence of God or don't they?"

Consistency would dictate that we either amend these things and remove them from our national life, or we admit that we have a huge elephant in the room. Anyone who says there is NOT a contradiction is performing that contortionist, idiotic dance that the judicial activists are performing.

And finally, Moore is correct that our 1st amendment acknowledges God. It uses the word "religion." Anyone knows that religion is about God. Specifically, we're told that Congress can't make any kind of law about God. It says that we can't tell someone else how to speak and, particularly, how to "freely exercise" their manner of speech and expression about God.

One court wants to set up Athena in the courtyard. Another sets up a statue with "God" words on it. Simple free speech.