Panel Rules Justice Moore Failed to Respect & Comply with Law; Judge removed from Supreme Court

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

More to follow

[tpaine]

That's what the US Supreme Court has said. The Fourteenth Amendment incorporated the First Amendment to the states.
-George Wythe-

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"But that's not what the 1st amendment clearly says --"
-ex-

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The state governments have always been bound by the provisions of the bill of rights. Article VI makes this position clear in the supremacy clause.


During the fight over slavery, states rightists used the 1st amendments restriction on Congress as a talking point to get an erroneous USSC 'ruling' that amendments A1 thru A8 did not apply to states.


This is ludicrous on its face because at the same time in history states were being formed from territories [wherein the feds enforced our BOR's]'

--- Areas which when granted statehood citizens would have LOST the BOR's protection unless it was reiterated in the new states constitution..

Thus, because California omitted a 2nd amendment type RKBA's clause in 1848, its new residents suddenly lost the right to own guns? Ridiculous.

Bet me that this was original intent of the framers..

[Modernman]

Yes. The Christians (ones that pay attention ) know better. They now not to steal. It's in the book

Ah, bringing out the 'No True Scotsman" arguments (as in "No true Scotsman would do that").

Very convenient- every time self-professed Christians do something evil, you get to say that they're not real Christians. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

Go ahead and try and explain evil things Christians have done without relying on the No True Scotsman argument. Here's a little hint: you can't.

[Servant of the 9]

I will make you provide evidence for your silly statements.

Make Me?
Are you out of your mind, boy?

So9

[huck von finn]

Probably never. And they are a very profitable demographic for political and religious hucksters.

T'was the downfall of the Republican party. Some courageous ones are still hanging in there, but it'll be a tough struggle.

[Huber]

It is time for a National Christian Boycott... Now, how do we do it???

We could buy all of our boiled peanuts and sorghum from Mississippi. That'd teach Alabama!

[MineralMan]

"All non-Christians have no self control, moral base, internal law, or ideals.
"

Of course they don't. I'm forever amazed that I'm not in prison for all my misdeeds. Oh, wait...I haven't broken any laws. I've never done any harm to any other person. I've never stolen anything. Wait, I did commit adultery once, though, and regretted it very much, but was forgiven by my wife. I know that no Christian has ever committed adultery, so I guess they're right. I'm a horrid person and should be in prison.

[concerned about politics]

Don't forget, in San Francisco it is illegal to go to church. All Christians must have the cross branded on their forehead.

Nah. It'll be to changed to 666 in their foreheads, and every American will be forced to attend. It's the politicaly correct thing to do. Otherwise, it's behind bars for those who disobey the new PC theology of the U.S.S.A.

PS....it was a homeless lawyer who sued to have the Ten Commandments removed from the courthouse. Sounds more like a payback rather than an ideological complaint.

[Modernman]

It is the official religion.

Please point out where it says that in the Constitution or any other governing document.

[george wythe]

The Bible predicted the apostate churches would start to follow doctrins of evil.

This Unity "church" would be funny if it were not for the fact the their beliefs will remind you of the Heaven Gate cult.

If you ever want to have a good laugh at mangling the Bible, take a peek here.

[huck von finn]

Coral Ridge Ministries, that which is affiliated with glorious TBN of Paul and Jan Crouch fame has long been the funding path from which all good things lowed for Roy Moore.

Well then Chancellor--I have seen your posts (maybe even in a previous incarnation) and realize that you know about things legal. Is Coral Ridge Ministries also liable re any of this?

[MineralMan]

"Wait a minute--Coral Ridge Ministries, a fundamentalist group, paid for that monument and got it installed in a state courthouse? I had not heard that before. Are you serious?"

Yup. Wanna know about CRM? Go here:

http://www.coralridge.org

[Modernman]

No, it makes it sound like you were a football star at an SEC or Southwest Conference school whose coach bribed your instructors.

He refuses to admit where he went to school. Make of that what you will.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Televangelist markets video of Moore placing monument

By Phillip Rawls
Associated Press Writer
11-18-2001


MONTGOMERY

Chief Justice Roy Moore didn't sneak his Ten Commandments monument into the State Judicial Building under the cover of darkness. He did it under the bright glare of TV lights and a camera.

The only known video of the Ten Commandments monument being installed in Montgomery is available from D. James Kennedy's Coral Ridge Ministries.

"We have a long-standing relationship. We were informed and were happy to cover it for obvious reasons," said John Aman, spokesman for Coral Ridge Ministries in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

The footage of the installation in the State Judicial Building was included in one of Kennedy's weekly TV shows. Video cassette copies of that show are offered by Kennedy's organization for a suggested donation of $19.

The relationship between Moore and Kennedy, a Presbyterian minister and televangelist, has been growing since 1995, when Moore was a circuit judge in Gadsden and got sued for displaying a homemade wooden plaque of the Ten Commandments in his courtroom. Coral Ridge Ministries' Web site notes that it donated $130,000 to help cover Moore's legal expenses stemming from that litigation and an investigation by the state's Judicial Inquiry Commission.

Now the organization is offering to help Moore again with legal expenses as he fights two lawsuits challenging the Ten Commandments monument in the State Judicial Building. Aman said Coral Ridge Ministries believes the lawsuits threaten people's ability to acknowledge God in public places.

Moore promised in his 2000 campaign for chief justice that if he got elected, he would display the Ten Commandments in the State Judicial Building. But when he took office in January 2000, he put his famous plaque in the reception area of his office suite, not in a spot visible to the public.

Moore allowed Coral Ridge Ministries to make a video of that display when video crews from Alabama TV stations were turned away.

At the same time he was moving into his new office, he was also lining up Clark Memorials in Birmingham to make a washing machine-sized monument of the Ten Commandments, but the public wouldn't know about it until seven months later.

The monument was delivered to the State Judicial Building in the late hours of July 31 and installed in the rotunda. Moore pulled off a red drape to unveil the monument Aug. 1.

Critics immediately started talking about Moore sneaking the monument into the building without the knowledge of the other justices and after they had left for the evening.

There was no publicly available video of the installation until Kennedy aired it on his weekly television show, "The Coral Ridge Hour," on Oct. 14. The video shot by his organization shows the 5,280-pound monument being made in Birmingham, the truck carrying it to Montgomery, and Moore, wearing a white T-shirt, helping wheel the base into place in Montgomery.

Moore's spokesman, Scott Barnett, said he saw no other cameras at the installation.

At the unveiling of the monument on Aug. 1, Moore's longtime attorney, Stephen Melchior, predicted, "We anticipate there will be a battle."

The battle began Oct. 30 when the Southern Poverty Law Center, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union filed two lawsuits challenging the placement of the monument. Those lawsuits are pending in federal court before U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson.

Montgomery attorney Steve Glassroth, who filed one of the suits, said he never knew the video existed.

"I thought it was all done under the darkness of night," he said.

It remains to be seen whether the video will cause any more legal fights for Moore.

Jim Sumner, executive director of the State Ethics Commission, said he can't comment on a specific matter, but the state ethics law says no public official shall use state facilities under his control for the private benefit or business benefit of another person.

On the Net: A HREF="http://www.coralridge.org">www.coralridge.org

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Nope.

[concerned about politics]

Very convenient- every time self-professed Christians do something evil, you get to say that they're not real Christians. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

They're allowed to repent and ask for forgiveness. "Go, and sin no more."
Those who don't aren't Christian, period. How can a Christian sin repeatedly and still claim to live in Godlines? "Tou shall not give false testomony"

"By THEIR FRUITS ye will know them."

[huck von finn]

As a heart attack. They also filmed the installation, and sold videotapes of it to raise money for Judge Roy's legal fees.

Oy. I really had heard nothing of this before. Thanks for the info (I think). I add that caveat because it seems this is part of a larger Mission. Christian icons seem to be sprouting up at other government locations as well now.

[Doctor Stochastic]

I don't know the names of the members Massachussets legislature who in 1641 were the first to authorize slavery. The famous slave ship "Desire" was constructed at Marblehead and captained by William Pierce who was regarded by his; contemporaries as a "godly man."

[Paleo Conservative]

Where did Judge Moore get the "right" to make decorating decisions on the courthouse? Isn't that the State Supreme Court, not his personal soapbox?

If the voters don't like it they can vote him out of office. This country is not a dictatorship of the US Supreme Court or of other federal courts.

[dmz]

I don't know how any of what you have posted #397 relates to the persecution of Christians in America.

[m1-lightning]

Violation of the 1st amendment can only be done by the US Congress. It doesn't say the courts (judicial fiat) and it doesn't say the President (executive order). It says specifically the Congress

From the 14 th amendment, "priviledges and immunites" are found only in the Constitution and the laws passed by US Congress. Article 5 of the Constitution states "...amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution..." so amendments ARE the constitution.

If the 14th amendment didn't stretch those rights to the states then the only place inside the United States that you would be guaranteed those rights would be in Washington D.C.

So because of the 14th, now the state "Congress" can make no law respecting establishment religion or prohibit the free excercise thereof. It still doesn't say the courts (judicial fiat) can't do it or the Governor (executive order) can't do it.

What prevents the President, the Governors and the Courts from these branches having that power? Article 1 of the US constitution "All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States" the US Congress has the overall legislative authority. They have given the President and the courts certain and specific legislative powers (judicial fiat and executive orders) and I don't know of a single act passed by Congress giving other branches authority to violate the first amendment.

We need judges that will read the Constitution as it says word for word rather than pretending it says something else. If anyone was in violation of the 1st amendment it was the court that issued the judicial fiat to remove the ten commandments. They do not have the power to do such until Congress gives them that power.

We've learned that the US Congress cannot prohibit freedom of religion and the Constitution doesn't grant legislative authority to anyone but Congress. We also learn that all powers not delegated to the US government are reserved to the states. The US constitution does not give the SCOTUS power to prohibit freedom of religion.

So by the 10th amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." And since the 14th amendment prevents the states from violating "priveledges and immunities", no one anywhere can legislate against free exercise of religion.

Only by the Necessary and Proper Clause could Congress grant legislative power to another branch giving them authority to violate the first amendment since Congress themselves expressly cannot do it.