Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 11-13

*Correction on thread 6. In the heading where it says, "contained in thread 4," it should read, "contained in thread 5."

Contact information for Judge Greer, probate documents listed for Terry and Michael Schiavo, article from April, 2001 when Terri's feeding tube was ordered by Judge Quesada to be put back in pending deposition of Cindy Shook Brashers, link to clip of Steve Schiavo calling in to Glenn Beck's program, link to information on Schiavo/Centonze property value, link to transcript of On the Record interview with Ken Connor, link to American Patriot Friends Network, link to hospicepatients.org website, article about the testimony of Trudy Capone, link to post about co-sponsor of Terri's Bill in the House, Frank Attkisson giving legal reasons for the need for intervention on Terri's behalf, link to Hospice Patients Alliance website, statement that 9 neurologists have said that Terri is NOT in a PVS, Washington, D.C.contact information via email/fax, summary of legal expenses that Schiavo paid out of the money awarded to him for Terri’s care and rehabilitation, also see chart here for summary of legal expenses, This Round to Terri, But Fight Not Over article in Catholic Standard & Times (10/23/2003), another article, Schindlers Wonder What Happened the Night Terri Collapsed form Catholic Standard and Times:, and a serious question that is raised and needs to be researched.

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

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Sorry if this has been posted

Nov 12, 2003
Governor Sidetracks Schiavo's Lawsuit
By DAVID SOMMER
dsommer@tampatrib.com

CLEARWATER - Gov. Jeb Bush on Monday moved to block any quick action on the constitutional challenge to Terri's Law, a bid that could keep Terri Schiavo alive for at least as long as it takes to appeal a procedural issue.

Bush received an automatic stay of Michael Schiavo's lawsuit against him and Attorney General Charlie Crist by filing a notice of appeal on a decision by Circuit Judge Douglas Baird.

Now, before any constitutional challenge to Terri's Law can be decided, both sides will have to make their cases before the 2nd District Court of Appeal on whether the lawsuit was filed in the right county and whether the governor was properly notified that he is a defendant.

Michael Schiavo's attorney accused Bush of engaging in ``shameless delaying tactics.''

``The governor wants to delay this case through any possible legal maneuver for as long as he can,'' attorney George Felos said. ``I wish the governor would be a man about it and stand up and defend the law. He is almost like hiding in the bushes with his tail between his legs.''

Last week, Baird denied Bush's motion to dismiss Schiavo's lawsuit on the grounds that it should have been filed in circuit court in Tallahassee rather than in Pinellas County because the governor traditionally enjoys a home venue privilege.

Also, Bush complained he was not properly served notice that he was being sued.

Baird said a legal concept known as the ``sword-wielder exception to the home venue privilege'' allows citizens to defend themselves from government action in their home county.

Also, Bush waived his right to complain about not being properly served with the lawsuit when one of his attorneys participated in an emergency hearing Oct. 21, the night Schiavo's lawsuit was filed, the judge said.

That same night, Bush used the new state statute dubbed Terri's Law to order that a feeding tube be reinserted into Terri Schiavo's stomach so she could again receive liquid nutrition after almost seven days without food and water.

The feeding tube was removed Oct. 15 on court orders after an almost 5 1/2-year legal fight between Michael Schiavo and his wife's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.

Terri Schiavo's brain was damaged in 1990 when she suffered heart failure at the age of 26.

The now 39-year-old woman has been in what her husband's doctors term a persistent vegetative state ever since. In a nonjury trial in January 2000, Circuit Judge George Greer agreed with Michael Schiavo's contention that his wife would not want to be kept alive with no hope of improvement.

The Schindlers contend their daughter reacts to them and could improve with therapy. In addition to battling their son-in-law in court, they have mounted an Internet-based public relations campaign featuring snippets of video that appear to show Terri Schiavo smiling at her mother and following a balloon with her eyes.

In August, Bush cited tens of thousands of calls and e-mails from Schindler supporters as his reason for seeking to intervene in the case.

Two months later, the Legislature responded by enacting Terri's Law, which gave Bush the power to stay a court order. The law also provided for the appointment of a guardian ad litem to investigate the case.

In a Nov. 6 letter to the new guardian, University of South Florida Professor Jay Wolfson, Bush requested a meeting to discuss issues the governor wants Wolfson to investigate.

Arrangements for a meeting were being discussed Monday, Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre said.

Meanwhile, Michael Schiavo's attorney said he will ask Baird to lift the stay on his client's constitutional challenge to Terri's Law. The law violates Terri Schiavo's right to refuse medical treatment and improperly grants the governor power to interfere in a court case, Felos said.

Terri Schiavo has more to lose than Bush does if the stay remains in place, Felos said. It is a matter of her rights being ``violated on a daily basis'' versus Bush ``having to defend the case on its merits even though the sheriff did not knock on his door and serve him with a summons.''

This story can be found at: http://www.tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGAX2JBHVMD.html

There is that strong possibility of 3-4 childrens MS have,
here's some of the clues...

1st, We have the K.W letter to the St. Pete times

2nd...In 1998- We have Terri first guardian ad litem report
to the court.....

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/337laakp.asp

(See Bottom of report)....

Richard L. Pearse Jr (Atty?)....He filed his report with the court on December 28th, 1998......

In that report to the COURT....It states ..."AND despite
Schiavo's CONTINUING conflicts of Interest--which only DEEPENED on the personal level as he SIRED children....."

This was a 1998...report...Sired means "a Father"

There's is more pc's of this puzzle found here....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1017264/posts?page=159#159

Adultery is against the law,...It's still the law, until the Supremes say it is not....until then....It's the law,
and MS had violated the Law....not one time, or 2, or 3
there is over 3.....for sure

We have Felo$ saiding today (11/11/03)

"I wish the governor would be a man about it and stand up and DEFEND the LAW"....he's right.....ADULTERY while married to a wife in the hospital is against the law...

USE IT... and let's not forget Purjury", and MANY other
laws...use it.....It's the law, right ?!

Repost of sweetliberty's post #434 on Terri Thread of Nov. 8-10 Post #434:

The more I think about it, the more I think that this is the angle we need to be investigating. If it could be proven that the HINO was fooling around before any of these three women came along, and especially if he was fooling around BEFORE Terri's "injury," it could be very significant, but we have to have this well-documented. So here's what we have so far:

- a letter to the editor written by a "friend of the family" claiming that Michael had been paying child support for a child conceived while he was married to Terri but BEFORE she was traumatized (this woman is now claiming that she is not at liberty to say more at this time) - an article in the Tampa Tribune dated May 10, 2001, after nurse Trudy Capone came out with her testimony in which she claimed that Michael had at that time fathered 2 children

- George Felos, when asked about these 2 "alleged" children, refused comment (it was not denied)

- late September, 2002, the first of Michael's known children is born

- late October (Oct. 31?) 2003, Michael's second known child is born

- I'm still inclined to think that some of this information is buried in Pennsylvania (an old high school girlfriend or something)? Someone also suggested awhile back that THAT may have been what prompted the move to Florida and NOT Terri's parents moving there as is generally supposed. It is pure speculation at this point, mind you, but certainly worth looking into in greater depth.

Pinging a few more diligent researchers on this. (I'm sure I missed a few).

434 posted on 11/08/2003 7:58 PM CST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")

>>Maybe the P.I wasn't looking for this data/information(s) ? Maybe they were looking else-where ?

I would think after 13 years they'd have covered everything. What we have dug up on the internet is probably all known, and much better known, by the Schindlers.

Michael Schiavo's adultery in recent years is acknowledged and beyond dispute. But if as some say, he has another child from a relationship that existed prior to Terri's collapse, that fact would argue against his claim to having been, from the start, only a loving and devoted husband.
It would prove him a liar once again, and add to all we have that speaks against him.
But either the Schindlers don't want to use it, or it's not true. Personally I feel it's not true, because it's been 13 years and all we really have is an accusation from someone who is suddenly "not at liberty" to say any more.

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