Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles - Daily Terror Threat

Debka ^ | 11-3-2003 | Staff

[tubavil]

Monday, November 3, 2003

A new message was posted in the last few hours by the Jeddah-based al-Qaeda-linked Al-Islah (Reform) society calling on Muslims to flee New York, Washington and Los Angeles in advance of major al Qaeda attacks in those cities. This is revealed by DEBKAfile.

The message accuses the United States of predetermining its end (doom) by its policies. ?The Jews rule the Pentagon by remote control and (are the cause) of Muslims being killed in every corner of the world. The United States should therefore expect more blows.?

The message is signed on behalf of the al Bayan (The Threat) movement by ?your warrior brother, Abul Hassan al Khadrami?.

Our Muslim expert identifies the name of the signatory as belonging to a Yemeni from Hadhrameuth, the Bin Ladens? place of origin where Osama enjoys substantial tribal support.

DEBKAfile?s counter-terror sources stress that warnings appearing on these forums are taken both very seriously and with caution by the intelligence services keeping track of the terrorist network?s electronic traffic.

Last November, Jeddah-based fundamentalist forums addressed a message to an Al Qaeda member, saying whoever understands ? understands; whoever knows, knows, but we are marching towards an operation that will take us to Paradise. Three days later, the Mombasa Paradise hotel was blown up killing 12 Kenyans and 3 Israelis and a failed shoulder-launched Strela anti-air missile missed an Israeli airliner at Mombasa airport.

Link to Thread 2

[Calpernia]

I think that was posted Christmas Eve/Morning by LayoutGuru. But repeating the link is well worth it. Many missed posts due to the holidays.

[Calpernia]

I wonder why those explosions you mentioned weren't reported? If you see an article somewhere, please share the link.

[ladyjane]

I never saw an article. That I know of there were no articles. The person who reported it lives right near the State Department.She was on the telephone talking to her spouse at the Pentagon when the 'explosion' happened. Maybe it was a plane breaking the sound barrier. However, If you look on the FR threads from 9/11 there were a number of freepers in DC who reported strange stuff that day. I don't remember the specifics but I think it was down on the Mall and by the Supreme Court Building.

[Southack]

You can't detonate an old Soviet nuke from the 1970's. The whole concept of long-missing "suitcase" nukes being hidden away to be used at some point in the future by rogue terrorists is fundamentally (religious pun intended) flawed.

Let me put this into layman's terms.

For a nuke to detonate rather than "fizzle," you've got to have a precisely shaped fissionable outer shell or globe and a precisely shaped core. Most nuke designs, especially the *smaller* (read: suitcase sized) ones also require a nuclear "trigger" (which is made up of a substance that emits large quantities of neutrons at high speeds...a fact of science that simultaneously causes the trigger to decay rapidly with a very short "half life").

So for the radioactive components of a nuke, you've got to have precise shapes, and you've got to detonate the device *before* the radioactive elements decay past a certain point. The "trigger" decays the fastest, and it is reasonable to say that most atomic triggers are going to be worthless after 120 days. The core typically decays much slower, and after some number of years will have introduced numerous atomic impurities into itself, and its remaining fissionable material will gradually cease to be over the "critical mass" threshold. The globe/shell typically decays the slowest of all, but even it will have impurities being introduced into itself over the years, impurities that *will* increase the likelihood of getting a "fizzle" rather than a boom.

But wait, there's more!

These radioactive elements wreck havoc upon the electronic components used to detonate the nuclear bomb. Every day that the wiring and circuit components are exposed to this radiation reduces the likelihood of the electronics working as designed. Ditto for the effects of long-term radiation on the convention explosive that are used to initiate the nuclear chain reactions.

So for these basic reasons and many others, nuclear warheads/bombs require an enormous amount of constant maintenance.

Nukes are *NOT* like old WW2 bombs that shrimpers pull up from the sea in their nets every now and again. You don't just ignore a nuke for decades and then think that it will go BOOM!

After 4 months without maintenance, you've got about a 50-50 chance of a fizzle instead of a BOOM.

Each day after that dramatically reduces the chances of the device working as designed. Even rust or normal metallic corrosion will greatly reduce the chances of such an atomic device being anything more than a dirty bomb.

And just for the record: Uranium and Plutonium *are* metals. They are also very brittle, another factor to consider.

So anyone running around claiming that they've got old "suitcase" nukes from the Soviet Union (deceased since 1989) is either patently uneducated on atomic weapons *OR* simply bluffing.

Even if they knew the codes to activate the device, if it is more than 4 months out of maintenance it will probably just fizzle and scare the crap out of every news anchor in NYC.

And this isn't the sort of maintenance that can be performed inside someone's garage, either.

Here's another thought: the terrorists didn't brag about 9/11 *prior* to 9/11.

Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know.

Your mileage may vary.

[mhking]

Here's another thought: the terrorists didn't brag about 9/11 *prior* to 9/11.

Rule number one: "You don't talk about Fight Club."

[Mudboy Slim]

"For a nuke to detonate rather than "fizzle," you've got to have a precisely shaped fissionable outer shell or globe and a precisely shaped core. Most nuke designs, especially the *smaller* (read: suitcase sized) ones also require a nuclear "trigger" (which is made up of a substance that emits large quantities of neutrons at high speeds...a fact of science that simultaneously causes the trigger to decay rapidly with a very short "half life"). So for the radioactive components of a nuke, you've got to have precise shapes, and you've got to detonate the device *before* the radioactive elements decay past a certain point. The "trigger" decays the fastest, and it is reasonable to say that most atomic triggers are going to be worthless after 120 days. The core typically decays much slower, and after some number of years will have introduced numerous atomic impurities into itself, and its remaining fissionable material will gradually cease to be over the "critical mass" threshold. The globe/shell typically decays the slowest of all, but even it will have impurities being introduced into itself over the years, impurities that *will* increase the likelihood of getting a "fizzle" rather than a boom"

No need to worry...KEWL!!

"But wait, there's more! These radioactive elements wreak havoc upon the electronic components used to detonate the nuclear bomb. Every day that the wiring and circuit components are exposed to this radiation reduces the likelihood of the electronics working as designed. Ditto for the effects of long-term radiation on the convention explosive that are used to initiate the nuclear chain reactions. So for these basic reasons and many others, nuclear warheads/bombs require an enormous amount of constant maintenance. Nukes are *NOT* like old WW2 bombs that shrimpers pull up from the sea in their nets every now and again. You don't just ignore a nuke for decades and then think that it will go BOOM! After 4 months without maintenance, you've got about a 50-50 chance of a fizzle instead of a BOOM."

"And therefore, Homeland Security is no longer necessary," he said, mockingly...

"Each day after that dramatically reduces the chances of the device working as designed. Even rust or normal metallic corrosion will greatly reduce the chances of such an atomic device being anything more than a dirty bomb. And just for the record: Uranium and Plutonium *are* metals. They are also very brittle, another factor to consider. So anyone running around claiming that they've got old "suitcase" nukes from the Soviet Union (deceased since 1989) is either patently uneducated on atomic weapons *OR* simply bluffing. Even if they knew the codes to activate the device, if it is more than 4 months out of maintenance it will probably just fizzle and scare the crap out of every news anchor in NYC."

Good to hear...

"And this isn't the sort of maintenance that can be performed inside someone's garage, either. Here's another thought: the terrorists didn't brag about 9/11 *prior* to 9/11. Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know."

I share yer desire that nothing untoward occurs...MUD

[Prime Choice]

Interesting post. This guy must have learned how to be The Stupendously Incredible Evil Genius Trying To Take Over The World from James Bond movies.

I mean, c'mon...any moron knows that you should never give away your Very Secret And Utterly Evil Plan before you do it. Sheesh.

What an amateur. He and his pedophilic "prophet" can kiss my American butt.

[JustPiper]

Yep NJ was added

[JustPiper]

I might have thought that but more things are being revealed and if anything it will be more than most people, except us, thought...Examples:

Suspicious Passengers Questioned In France - 13 Were to Fly to L.A., Have Been Released - By John Mintz and John Burgess - Washington Post Staff Writers - Friday, December 26, 2003; Page A01 - U.S. government officials said yesterday they believe some of the passengers boarding one of the three Air France flights from Paris to Los Angeles that were canceled this week because of security concerns might have intended to hijack it and crash-land in Las Vegas or another city along its flight path

Al-Qaeda issues fresh threat-Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden will issue the next of his video messages after a massive attack on US territory, Saudi weekly Al-Majallah quotes an official of the terror network as saying, in its next edition - Quoting an e-mail received from a man who goes by the name of Abu Mohammed al-Ablaj, the weekly reports that "an emissary of bin Laden has informed me that the al-Qaeda chief's (next) appearance (on video cassette) will come after a deadly, far-reaching operation on American territory.

DISASTER TEAMS SAID READY FOR TERRORISM (Pres. Bush receiving updates at Camp David)-WASHINGTON - Disaster teams are ready to respond to any strike by the al-Qaida terrorist network and special equipment is monitoring the air for biological agents in some 30 cities, the Bush administration said Thursday.- Four days after the nation went to a high Code Orange status and turned up its vigilance against terrorism, the threat had not diminished. "Credible reporting suggests al-Qaida continues to desire to attack American interests," said Brian Roehrkasse, spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.

[JustPiper]

Breaking - Poplar Street Bridge (St. Louis) is Shut Down - possible wired device found under bridge"
TV in St. Louis ^ | 12/25/03 | KSDK
Posted on 12/25/2003 5:03:30 PM PST by brigette

Have you heard anything Mo?

[JustPiper]

And let them pay us the $$$ they owe us and keep their stinkin' statue!

[JustPiper]

Your right and I've been waiting for this and the lying the mayor was doing! I posted the link to the story that just came out in today's post

[little jeremiah]

I read a while ago that the bridge has been opened and whatever they thought was suspicious wasn't.

[JustPiper]

First link, wonder what the good ol' Mayor will say now?

[JustPiper]

Thanx Jeremiah, good to know!

[Pro-Bush]

Ted Gunderson eh? Ever heard of http://www.rumormillnews.com/ ?

[little jeremiah]

Is that the same mayor who dissed the naturalized Lebanese-American who said he heard Arabic speaking men on his cel phone a couple of years ago? The one who was a defense lawyer for the mob?

[JustPiper]

12-26-03

WND

Did canceled flights avert terror attack? U.S. thinks L.A.-bound Air France jet was set for crash-landing in Las Vegas

HEADS UP! New FBI warning cites biochem threat - Feds advise security to be on alert for 'unusual powders, liquids, odors'-By Paul Sperry - WASHINGTON – The FBI is warning law enforcement in a new security advisory to be alert for signs of a biological or chemical attack against the homeland by al-Qaida terrorists over the next few weeks - Unexplained or unusual odors, such as the smell of "bitter almonds," are among "potential indicators of threats involving" weapons of mass destruction, according to the advisory issued earlier this week by the FBI counterterrorism division. - WorldNetDaily obtained a copy of the report labeled "law enforcement sensitive."p> Been predicting targets on Officials in ME- here's another: 'Saddam's bombmaker' hit in assassination attempt Hamza touted as authoritative source on nuclear program - An Iraqi newspaper – Iraq of Tomorrow – along with Iraqi scientists and members of the expatriate community are reporting that U.S. emissary Khidhir Hamza, has been the victim of a bomb attack

Iraqi officers describe Saddam-al-Qaida link Detainees say contacts preceded 9-11, Saudis helped recruit, finance terrorists - Saudi nationals helped Saddam Hussein recruit and finance al-Qaida insurgents as part of preparations to confront U.S. troops in Iraq

U.S. defense firms in secret talks with Libya - Proposals involve modernization of artillery systems, helicopters - The Bush administration has approved secret talks between U.S. defense contractors and Libya.

[JustPiper]

God works in mysterious ways FYI:

'Many killed' in Iran earthquake - A powerful earthquake rocks south-eastern Iran, causing many casualties and widespread damage. It said the tremor, measuring 6.3 on the Richter scale, was centred near the city of Bam in Kerman province. The city's historic quarter was destroyed and there were "very many" dead, local governor Mohammad Ali Karimi was quoted as saying.

[Calpernia]

I never heard of him. What I do find interesting is some of the places. Right now, there are at least 15 agents enroute to Las Vegas to investigate threat leads, anthrax was originally released in Florida with unanswered leads, plus some of the 9/11 hijackers met in Las Vegas, one of the passengers scheduled on AirFrance was destined for Las Vegas, and we have ongoing threats of Anthrax plus unanswered questions/threats of biowarfare.

I know nothing of Ted Gunderson; but there is enough info in that post to want to make me bark up a few trees to learn more. Not necessarily in the 'defense' of the situations Ted was posting for either.

Have a goodnight and stay safe. I'm off to bed.