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Scientists find evolution of life
EurekAlert ^ | 10/30/03

Posted on 10/30/2003 5:04:39 PM PST by Dales

LIVERMORE, Calif. -- A trio of scientists including a researcher from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has found that humans may owe the relatively mild climate in which their ancestors evolved to tiny marine organisms with shells and skeletons made out of calcium carbonate.

In a paper titled "Carbonate Deposition, Climate Stability and Neoproterozoic Ice Ages" in the Oct. 31 edition of Science, UC Riverside researchers Andy Ridgwell and Martin Kennedy along with LLNL climate scientist Ken Caldeira, discovered that the increased stability in modern climate may be due in part to the evolution of marine plankton living in the open ocean with shells and skeletal material made out of calcium carbonate. They conclude that these marine organisms helped prevent the ice ages of the past few hundred thousand years from turning into a severe global deep freeze.

"The most recent ice ages were mild enough to allow and possibly even promote the evolution of modern humans," Caldeira said. "Without these tiny marine organisms, the ice sheets may have grown to cover the earth, like in the snowball glaciations of the ancient past, and our ancestors might not have survived."

The researchers used a computer model describing the ocean, atmosphere and land surface to look at how atmospheric carbon dioxide would change as a result of glacier growth. They found that, in the distant past, as glaciers started to grow, the oceans would suck the greenhouse gas -- carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere -- making the Earth colder, promoting an even deeper ice age. When marine plankton with carbonate shells and skeletons are added to the model, ocean chemistry is buffered and glacial growth does not cause the ocean to absorb large amounts of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

But in Precambrian times (which lasted up until 544 million years ago), marine organisms in the open ocean did not produce carbonate skeletons -- and ancient rocks from the end of the Precambrian geological age indicate that huge glaciers deposited layers of crushed rock debris thousands of meters thick near the equator. If the land was frozen near the equator, then most of the surface of the planet was likely covered in ice, making Earth look like a giant snowball, the researchers said.

Around 200 million years ago, calcium carbonate organisms became critical to helping prevent the earth from freezing over. When the organisms die, their carbonate shells and skeletons settle to the ocean floor, where some dissolve and some are buried in sediments. These deposits help regulate the chemistry of the ocean and the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. However, in a related study published in Nature on Sept. 25, 2003, Caldeira and LLNL physicist Michael Wickett found that unrestrained release of fossil-fuel carbon dioxide to the atmosphere could threaten extinction for these climate-stabilizing marine organisms.


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Two hints.

1) This would be a very poor thread to choose to engage in flamewarring or flamebaiting.

2) It would be wrong to try to guess my position based on me posting this thread.

1 posted on 10/30/2003 5:04:39 PM PST by Dales
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To: Dales
Correct!

LOL

I like your style!

:-)

2 posted on 10/30/2003 5:07:23 PM PST by maestro
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To: Dales
So in the past, these organisms sucked carbon dioxide out of the air. But now that we are burning fossil fuels, these organisms will become estinct. Why? Because of the carbon dioxide?

Does not compute. Global warming sky is falling stupid computer model bump.

3 posted on 10/30/2003 5:09:16 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Dales
"However, in a related study published in Nature on Sept. 25, 2003, Caldeira and LLNL physicist Michael Wickett found that unrestrained release of fossil-fuel carbon dioxide to the atmosphere could threaten extinction for these climate-stabilizing marine organisms."

They just HAVE to add the propanda about "excess atmospheric CO2". Exactly "why" should a few more ppm of CO2 "threaten extinction" for critters who make their shells out of calcium carbonate?? Seems to me that it would be more likely to make them flourish in greater abundance.

4 posted on 10/30/2003 5:10:27 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: DannyTN
With the economy back up to the Reagan levels, global warming is passe, and we are back to the rollickin' days of global cooling. Get retro, baby!
5 posted on 10/30/2003 5:12:06 PM PST by Dales
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To: Dales
"The most recent ice ages were mild enough to allow and possibly even promote the evolution of modern humans," Caldeira said. "Without these tiny marine organisms, the ice sheets may have grown to cover the earth, like in the snowball glaciations of the ancient past, and our ancestors might not have survived."

100,000 years hence...

"The most recent ice ages were mild enough to allow and possibly even promote the evolution of modern gogatons," Xizirina said. "Without these hairless primates, the ice sheets may have grown to cover the earth, like in the snowball glaciations of the ancient past, and our ancestors might not have survived."

6 posted on 10/30/2003 5:13:12 PM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: Dales; FourtySeven
Dales is rockstar LOC! Good post Dales!
7 posted on 10/30/2003 5:17:39 PM PST by JethroHathAWay (If all you got to do is follow me around you need to chingate)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Seems to me that it would be more likely to make them flourish in greater abundance.

Remember, Philbert, environmentalism has become a religion and when you do not adhere to doctrine illogical bad things are promised.

8 posted on 10/30/2003 5:21:09 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neo-Conservative Power Vortex)
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To: Dales
It would be wrong to try to guess my position based on me posting this thread.

If the FR has a secret NWO agenda ... master race - PLAN ---- I certainly would like to know about it !

9 posted on 10/30/2003 5:25:23 PM PST by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Dales
So there were glaciers at the equator. The whole earth must have been covered with ice. I guess it all piled up at the high points and left the ocean basins empty, right? Sure. If not, where did all the water go?

And I also believe that they know enough to model the atmosphere and predict whether or not CO2 will concentrate in the air or be absorbed in the water. Their many successes to date in such predictions (can anyone name one?) should give us plenty of confidence in their methods.

And what does this have to do with evolution?
10 posted on 10/30/2003 5:26:14 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Dales
Whatever! People will never stop at trying to explain the unexplainable. Unless you believe in God that is, then it is easy to explain.
11 posted on 10/30/2003 5:26:41 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: f.Christian
And if the if part of your declaration is negative, then?

But it is Halloween, almost. Might as well let your imagination run wild.

Just as long as the thread doesn't turn into another flame barrage or nasti fight (with moose bites and lutefisk smitings), then I don't have a dog in this hunt.

12 posted on 10/30/2003 5:29:57 PM PST by Dales
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; Piltdown_Woman; RadioAstronomer; Physicist
Read post #1. Ping.
13 posted on 10/30/2003 5:30:59 PM PST by Junior ("Your superior intellects are no match for our puny weapons!")
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To: Dales
Well some of the injuries are faked ...

wouldn't you think --- foul play !
14 posted on 10/30/2003 5:33:27 PM PST by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: vpintheak
People will never stop at trying to explain the unexplainable.

That's as may be, but science is about discovering how to explain the explainable.

Unless you believe in God that is, then it is easy to explain.

Saying "God did it" isn't an explanation. The question becomes: how did God do it?

15 posted on 10/30/2003 5:34:57 PM PST by Physicist
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To: f.Christian
Hey, you're our secret weapon. That's why we set up our posting conflagerator to scramble your posts so no one can figure out what you're saying. Only you see the real message. Everyone else sees only gobbledygook.
16 posted on 10/30/2003 5:35:34 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Jim Robinson
ahhhhhh thanks ... tlbfletcher --- the gift !
17 posted on 10/30/2003 5:37:20 PM PST by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: f.Christian
Some things can't be faked.


18 posted on 10/30/2003 5:38:29 PM PST by Dales (Although, I go more for the gal in Fletch...)
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To: Rocky
If not, where did all the water go?

There still would have been liquid water below the ice, because of the geothermal heat coming from the ocean floor. As is the case today, life could have been supported during these severe ice ages around the hydrothermal vents.

19 posted on 10/30/2003 5:39:51 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Jim Robinson
LOL!
20 posted on 10/30/2003 5:41:24 PM PST by Quick1
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