Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003

Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT(Daily Thread 2 - October 30-31, 2003)Link back to thread 1 - October 29, 2003

Contained in thread 1:

Summary of Terri's bone scan, transcript from "On the Record" response from Bobby Schindler and Attny. Pat Anderson to Michael Schiavo's appearance on Larry King Live, link to where to search public records for Pinellas County (for a fee), information on Terri's Lights, link to transcript from Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, synopsis of radio interview with Michael Schiavo's brother in Pennsylvania, summary of interview with Pat Anderson on Michael Reagan's show, portion of testimony from Schiavo medical malpractice trial, some links to information on the Florida death cult, names and email address for the Florida Supreme Court, information on previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr., information on GAL currently being proposed Jay Wolfson and links back to earlier threads on the case. Of course this overview isn't comprehensive, but my main point in this section is to provide easy reference to what could be important information. Also, links to other websites focusing on Terri's fight can be found in thread 1, here.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for your dedication to this fight.

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Click on pic for Terri's Website.

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

FL_Engineer suggested that if you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

Inside right-to-die case, a woman's real life (a few days old but not posted on first thread)

Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN

What Should Happen With Terri S. (a "vanity" thread)

Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'

[texasbluebell]

Those photos are witness to a great injustice that has been allowed to fester for far too long.

[Graymatter]

From http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/FedCourtDktCaseNo8_03-cv-1860-T-26TGW.txt

"39. Schiavo has willfully, deliberately and maliciously abused that special
relationship and acted to deprive Terri of her constitutional rights under
color of state law, his malice being shown by his contradiction of sworn
testimony to a jury that he would care for Terri for the rest of his life; his
"Do Not Resuscitate" order for a ward who is not terminally ill; his attempt
to deprive his own wife of the most basic care and therapy; his demand that
Terri's guardian ad litem be removed; his decade-long campaign of
deliberately degrading Terri's neurological responses by a calculated plan of
sensory deprivation; his looting of Terri's guardianship estate for attorney
fees in the effort to have her killed, contrary to his promises to the jury
about how the money would be used; and his cohabitation with another
woman, during which he has fathered two children out of wedlock."

[cyn]

Ya know, I read your post earlier this morning, er, yesterday morning, as I skimmed through the thread.

But it *didn't sink in* until after hrs of looking at other stuff, then I read the St. Pete article myself and picked out the same thing -- IT IS DIFFERENT! Michael "saw" Terri fall?? he awoke to go to the bathroom? HE SAW?? that's the first I've seen that!

SO -- a day later, I have a "DOH!" reaction -- having posted this onto another thread several hours ago. But it has made a deeper impression on me as a result. I note you did not get other responses x for fv; but this IS significant.

Note the pictures, too -- Terri THEN (early 90's w/Michael, hair done, in wheelchair) = Terri NOW. Why can't the St. Pete Times put that together, ask some questions? They need to take this more seriously -- the rest of the world is!

ALL NEWCOMES -- reprint of syriacus' post #257:

"I don't know where the St. P times got their information for this---

From Deciding the Fate of Terri, By ANITA KUMAR, © St. Petersburg Times, published January 25, 2000

On Feb. 25, 1990, Michael Schiavo woke up about 5 a.m. to use the bathroom. That's when he saw his wife fall on the floor. Her heart stopped beating and she was deprived of oxygen for five minutes before she was taken to the hospital.

257 posted on 10/31/2003 7:29 AM PST by syriacus"

[sarasmom]

"I could make insulting ad hominem remarks about people developing sweeping opinions on topics they don't understand at all, but I won't."

Please, unleash your vastly superior word-power!
I can take it, I promise!

BTW, I live in Florida.I became aware of the "Terri Schiavo Case" in 1995.I think it highly likely that I know more about this "topic" than do you.
The first clue is, that I do not consider her, "Terri Schiavo" a "topic".

Have you ever entertained the possibillity that your shallow, "considered expertise" on this "topic" is less than worthless?

Consider this-
I very much resent the fact that people like you are free to spout ignorant anti-society crap,because I, and people like me, laid our arses on the line for freedom and justice for all.

Do NOT sleep well tonight.
Who in the world would risk death for your "cause" ?
People like you are fraudulently riding the coat-tails of those people who still believe the USA is worth fighting for.

[Lone Voice in the hinterlands]

I was working on checking out Wolfson, and I couldn't come up with anything. Although I got to his web site at USF, it really didn't provide much value. I didn't get to read any of his publications, no links worked.

But back to my original point, he is the Guardian ad Litim and he isn't even an M.D.

[HiTech RedNeck]

On Feb. 25, 1990, Michael Schiavo woke up about 5 a.m. to use the bathroom. That's when he saw his wife fall on the floor.

Of all times Terri might happen to fall on the floor, she just happened to pick a time that bully (er, hubby) dearest happened to make a nocturnal trip to the pot. And our resident ghouls don't think that is fishy?

[HiTech RedNeck]

Dred Scott? What Dred Scott? Anyone with a brain now surely knows that family values whose privacy should be protected include starving a disabled wife to death! Just as anyone with a brain back then surely knew that the Negro race would never equal the Caucasian and would always be the Benevolent White Man's Burden!

</IRONY>

[cyn]

I wonder why Terri stopped treating at Mediplex. Maybe she was actually making progress and that was against Michael's wishes. -- also #525:

I've wondered the same thing -- see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1012578/posts-- I posted the pictures of Terri before the '92 trial -- she's no different now than she was then! And see #25 from FL engineer -- the PDF on Terri's status pre-'92 trial.

[cyn]

THIS is what FL engineer mentioned on another thread earlier:

Terri exam info from 6/90 & 3&6/91

===BEGIN 6/27/90 physical exam, pg 1/3

Physical Examination -- 6 - 27 - 90

*patient is awake, eyes are open
*easily startled to her name or when bedrail fell down
*no respiratory distress, breathing easily
*pupils are equal and reactive
*just short focusing attention, does not track, keeps her head to the position on the right
*significant amount of tone in the head and neck.
*reflex and voluntary movement of her mouth in a chewing reflex
*T-tube in place & working properly
*severe hypertonicity of all four extremities; plantar flexor contractures, some shoulder limitation
*“again, tone is quite significant in all four extremities and difficult to achieve range of motion of the left hip and knee while she is in a supine position.”
*pt is awake
*she does give eye contact to family members
*she will close her eyes to any threatening response around her face and blink appropriately
*tracking is inconsistent
*no verbal output during this exam but it has been reported by husband and other family members and therapists over at College Harbor.
*no voluntary movement on command
*responds to painful stimulation. . . cont on next page . . . [there is no next page]

===END 6/27/90 physical exam

===Begin Treatment plan pg 2/3

Treatment Plan Review from Mediplex rehab, Bradenton, 1/29/91

*PT 3 X wk due to decreased range of motion in legs.
OT [occupational therapy] modified splints, will look at __ on lap tray.
*Will check at head rest also

Cognitive/Communication:
*no significant changes.
*Vocalizing when prone in P.T. [physical therapy]
*Occasionally will say "STOP" to nursing during procedures.
*to TR [recreation?] groups. More relaxed to therapists voice, touch (habituation)

===END Treatment plan

===BEGIN therapy notes, pg 3/3 PDF

3-15-91 Monthly summary ---

Ms. Schiavo was readministered the sensory stimulation assessment measure on March 13, 1991. The results show a slight increase in a few response areas.

Terry’s [sic] eye-opening responses and motor responses (which increased two points) are now both her strongest response output category. However, the vocalization response modality increased two points also. Terry’s tactile response remained her best sensory input category, as it increased 3 points, the other 4 response categories remained at about the same level.

These slight increases may be a result of the time change. The original test was administered at 8:00 a.m. right after she got up and the second test was given at 4:00 p.m.

Terry’s ocular cranial nerve function was assessed and the results indicated that her pupil sizes were large, she had a very sluggish response to light, the consensual light reflex was present but she had an abnormal response to accommodation, tracking, and a blink reflex. These responses are very similar to last month’s administration.

Overall her general responsivess score increased slightly from 19 to 23, but remains at a __ Level II.

These scores indicate a need for a sensory stimulation program and this is being developed. In addition, the SS_M will be readministered in one month. [signed -- a nice caring person]

3 - 28 - 91 Weekly note: Pt. was seen by psych [psychology? rather than psychiatry, I’m guessing] in the sensory stim program 1 X [one time], program started 3-25-91. The goal was to increase her localized responses to sensory modalities. Her best response was to almond extract (olfactory), otherwise she only responded by opening her eyes briefly.

Summarizing across the interdisciplinary team results show similar findings. In addition, the most response increases was to tactile stimulation. Tx [treatment] plan will be continued. [signed -- nice person helping Terri 12 yrs ago]

===END

Prayerfully submitted in hopes that this will help dear Terri, who is on my mind and heart, and her loving family -- hugs to you all. With prayers also that those planning evil against Terri might have their minds and hearts changed -- God is able. But even if He does not . . .

[cyn]

And family says furthermore -- when they carefully went over that night & what Bobby saw when he got to their apt -- that she was actually facing or lying in the WRONG direction -- ie, she was on way to bathroom, but she was lying face down w/feet pointing toward bathroom. On a CARPETED floor.

Don't know why this gives 5 min estimate -- I'm suspecting this reporter didn't put much time into this story. I hope the St. Pete Times will realize how very important it is to investigate and publicize Terri's situation. From my lips to God's ear, as they say. . .

[JustPiper]

I didn't realise this guy was bad news ;(

[Future Useless Eater]

It looks like former mayor Ed Koch has flipped and now
supports keeping Terri ALIVE !!!

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1012597/posts?page=1#1
Ending Life Humanely (Ed Koch on Terri Schiavo)

[Future Useless Eater]

>>Please contact me if you have documents that you would like to post but do not trust the source file to stay online

The 3 audio .mp3 files of Terri trying to converse with
her father have been unavailable because the webpage exceeded
its maximum bandwidth for the month. It would be great if
you could get those and repost them...

http://www.friendsofterri.org/audio.html

[pickyourpoison]

Please let them know that everyone's praying and remember
"All things are possible with God"

[Robert Drobot]

Post 259 : You have a beautiful heart, cyn. Good to make your acquaintance.

[Bluebird Singing]

Doesn't this group of photos tell the whole story? She obviously has not been comatose and vegetative for 13 years. I wouldn't be surprised if the "loving husband" photo was taken before the awarding of malpractice case. It is heartbreaking to think of what could have been with the therapy she so rightly deserved.

[sweetliberty]

Ping to post #569.

[nicmarlo]

thanks for the ping sweetliberty.....this is a tragedy what Michael's done to his wife. She could have been vastly improved by now with rehab, had he allowed that to happen.

[syriacus]

On the other hand, maybe she would forgive him. Who knows?

It's hard to predict what would happen.

A Long-Running Morality Play From civil rights to abortion, LI serves as a stage for many heated controversies

Another abortion issue that attracted national attention involved an Upper Brookville man who sought to terminate his comatose wife's pregnancy to improve her chances for recovery.

Nancy Klein, who was 17 weeks pregnant, was in a deep coma after sustaining head injuries in a 1988 auto accident. Two Long Island anti-abortion groups sued for legal guardianship of the woman and her fetus in an effort to block the abortion. After a panel of judges ruled against the activists as "absolute strangers" to the Kleins and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to stop the procedure, the abortion was performed. Nancy Klein partially recovered.

In a less-than-happy ending, her husband, Martin, sued for divorce in 1991.

[syriacus]

Woodworth was also a bureaucrat. He probably knew Attorney Felos and when he was done using Terri as a pawn, handed her over to Felos.

Thank you for the explanation, floriduh voter.