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Gay, lesbian couples can teach heterosexuals how to improve relationships: U of Wash
University of Washington ^ | October 20, 2003 | Joel Schwarz

Posted on 10/25/2003 2:03:02 PM PDT by nwrep

October 20, 2003


Contact: Joel Schwarz
joels@u.washington.edu
206-543-2580
University of Washington


Gay, lesbian couples can teach heterosexuals how to improve relationships

Married heterosexual couples can learn a great deal from gay and lesbian couples, far more than the stereotypical images presented by the television show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," according to the first published observational studies of homosexual relationships.

"Gay and lesbian couples are a lot more mature, more considerate in trying to improve a relationship and have a greater awareness of equality in a relationship than straight couples," said John Gottman, a University of Washington emeritus professor of psychology who directed the research along with Robert Levenson, a University of California, Berkeley, psychology professor.

"I think that in 200 years heterosexual relationships will be where gay and lesbian relationships are today," said Gottman, who now heads the Relationship Research Institute in Seattle.

In the first of two papers published this month in the Journal of Homosexuality, the researchers explored the conflict interaction of homosexual and heterosexual couples using mathematical modeling techniques. In the second study, they looked at factors influencing gay and lesbian couples' relationship satisfaction and dissolution.

"In the modeling paper we looked at processes, and they look so different you could draw a picture," said Gottman. "Straight couples start a conflict discussion in a much more negative place than do gays and lesbian couples. Homosexuals start the same kind of discussions with more humor and affection, are less domineering and show considerably more positive emotions than heterosexual couples.

"The way a discussion starts is critical. If it starts off in a bad way in a heterosexual relationship, we have found that it will become even more negative 96 percent of the time. Gays and lesbians are warmer, friendlier and less belligerent. You see it over and over in their discussions, and their partner is receiving the message they are communicating. In turn, their partner is allowing himself or herself to be influenced in a positive way. With married heterosexual couples a discussion is much more of a power struggle with someone being invalidated."

Gay and lesbian relationships seem to be marked by what Gottman calls "the triumph of positive emotions over negative emotions."

"Negative emotions have more impact in heterosexual relationships," he said. "This is why our previous research has shown you need a 5-to-1 ratio of positive to negative statements. This seems to be universal in heterosexual couples. But it may be different in gay and lesbian relationships where positive emotions seem to have a lot more power or influence."

Dan Yoshimoto, a UW psychology doctoral student who worked on the studies, added that the ways gays and lesbians resolve conflict may be the glue that maintains stability in homosexual relationships.

"They start and maintain a conversation a positive way and this may enable them to solve a problem and resolve conflict," he said."

What makes the new studies noteworthy is that they went beyond collecting self-reported data from questionnaires. While self reports produce important information, the researchers wrote, "there is considerable evidence that people's perceptions of their relationship may diverge quite markedly from their actual interaction." The researchers videotaped discussions each couple had about what occurred that day, a topic of ongoing conflict, and a pleasant topic to analyze the verbal and nonverbal content of their interaction during the talks and again at a later time when the partners viewed the tape individually. The researchers also collected an array of physiological data, including heart rate, during the conversations.

Homosexual couples in the studies were recruited in the San Francisco Bay area and they filled out a questionnaire that assessed relationship satisfaction. Forty pairs – 12 happy gay couples, 10 unhappy gay couples, 10 happy lesbian couples and 8 unhappy lesbian couples – were chosen to participate in the study. The comparison sample of married couples was drawn from a larger study that recruited couples from around Bloomington, Ind. It was matched in terms of age, marital satisfaction, education and income to the homosexual couples and consisted of 20 happy and 20 unhappy couples.

The researchers also collected data for 12 years on the relationships of the homosexual couples. By then eight couples (20 percent) – one gay and seven lesbian – had broken up. This rate, if projected over a 40-year period, would be almost 64 percent, which is similar to the 67 percent divorce rate for first marriages among heterosexual couples of the same time span.

Data also showed that while high levels of cardiovascular arousal among straight couples during a conflict conversation was a predictor of lower relationship satisfaction and higher risk for relationship dissolution, the reverse was true with homosexual couples. With gays and lesbians, low physiological arousal was related to these negative outcomes.

"Another interesting thing that emerged in conversations the couples had was that gays and lesbians are more honest. They talked explicitly about monogamy and sex. Those topics don't come up in 31 years of studying heterosexual couples," said Gottman. "Heterosexual are uptight in talking about sex and you don't hear explicit sexual talk. In reviewing the tapes of their conversations, you really don't know what they are talking about. Same sex couples talk about sex, and are more mature and honest and less fragile in talking about it.

Gottman also said: "The overall implication of this research is that we have to shake off all of the stereotypes of homosexual relationships and have more respect for them as committed relationships. Gays and lesbians may be more competent at having a mature relationship. Our data suggests our society needs to reconsider its policy and that we should value and honor love where ver we find it," Gottman said.

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The National Institute of Mental Health funded the research.

Co-authors of the conflict interaction paper were Catherine Swanson and Rebecca Tyson, both of whom earned their doctorates in applied mathematics at the UW, and Kristin Swanson, a UW research assistant professor of pathology. Co-authors of the study examining gay and lesbian relationship satisfaction were James Gross, a Stanford University associate professor of psychology; Barbara Frederick, University of Michigan psychology professor; Kim McCoy, a UC Berkeley psychology doctoral student; Leah Rosenthal, who earned a doctorate in psychology at UC Berkeley; and Anna Ruef, an assistant professor at Boston Veterans Administration Medical Center.

For more information, contact Gottman at (206) 832-0300 or johng@gottmanresearch.com; levenson at (510) 642-5050 boblev@socrates.berkeley.edu; or Yoshimoto at (206) 832-0317 or yosh@u.washington.edu


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To: nwrep
What a load of crap! I've been married for thirteen years and I resent the gays who tell me that they are much better at relationships.

41 posted on 10/25/2003 6:30:58 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: PaxMacian
I think these doctors are really Crab People.
42 posted on 10/25/2003 6:34:44 PM PDT by Polonius (It's called logic, it'll help you.)
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To: nwrep
I was going along, reading this article, when suddenly it struck me how absurd all this is--as I remembered ever so long ago, sitting on a French Quarter balcony late at night, and hearing two men, clearly a couple, having a heated argument which grew until weapons (bags, shoes) began to be brandished. Louder, louder, louder, more obscene, and then the police finally got there, several bruises and one broken window pane later.

Then I remembered the sad lesbian lawyer I knew way back in about 1985. She'd used to be the Number One of one of my bosses, who was also a lesbian (obviously); but she'd had to extricate herself from the relationship b/c the other woman battered her severely more than once. And yes, "extricate" was the word she used.

I know of a few other incidents, too. In one of which a gay man was shoved against a glass pane by his lover, and ended up cut badly enough that he had to go to the hospital and get stitches. On the bright side, those two are still together and seem to be doing much better.

Obviously people don't go around bragging about stuff like this. And obviously, there are many male-female couples in which this occurs--heaven knows, we hear about them ad nauseam. Notice, however, that on one of the tabloids this week, they are featuring the dirt on fights that Roy & Siegfried have had during their relationship. Congrats, Roy & Siegfried! You've finally arrived! The media are beginning to treat you like heteros--airing your dirty laundry, and generally acting like what you do is somehow unnatural. Ain't being in the mainstream great, guys?
43 posted on 10/25/2003 7:04:06 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: xzins
Looks like that account (GOPLUVSANAL) has been banned...
44 posted on 10/25/2003 7:35:30 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: nwrep
Can they give us home decorating tips too?
45 posted on 10/25/2003 7:57:56 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (No Taxation Without Respiration - Repeal Death Taxes!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Another Odd Couple

46 posted on 10/25/2003 8:07:41 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (No Taxation Without Respiration - Repeal Death Taxes!)
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To: jobedo
I know what you mean about the revolving door relationships. I've seen it time after time. One of my best friends lost a long term relationship because he couldn't keep it in his pants. When his partner found out, he left. My friend hasn't had a long term relationship since then and is very lonely (nothing worse than an old gay guy).

However, one of the family members I'm thinking of was w/her partner for 50+ years, until she died. They never brought up their lifestyle and her partner is treated like a member of the family.

As I stated, I think the older people knew how to mind their own business. These younger gays are so intent on being outrageous that they miss the few opportunities for real relationships that come their way.
47 posted on 10/25/2003 8:56:09 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: Mike Darancette
At least the television Odd Couple were intentionally funny.
48 posted on 10/25/2003 11:07:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (mislead, misled, lie, lied, failed, failure,leaked, revenge, etc., etc., etc..)
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To: nwrep
What would happen to his mathematical results if the homo samples were taken from San Quentin or Folsom Prison?
49 posted on 10/26/2003 12:10:47 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: All
International Healing Foundation

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50 posted on 10/26/2003 1:21:58 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy; xzins; scripter
Great site.

I see one of the articles quotes Kee MacFarlane, the therapist at the center of the McMartin/satanic abuse debacle.

After what she went through, I wouldn't have been surprised if she had retired to Guam.

51 posted on 10/26/2003 1:59:44 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: nwrep
This certainly hasn't been what I've witnessed. The gay couples (male) that I know have very violent relationships.
52 posted on 10/26/2003 3:53:33 AM PST by Zipporah
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To: scripter
I'm not surprised. His name itself violated FR policy.
53 posted on 10/26/2003 4:35:02 AM PST by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: nwrep
This...AND we lost big to USC yesterday. A banner weekend at the ol' UW.

regards,
54 posted on 10/26/2003 4:39:52 AM PST by Thunder 6
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To: Jeff Chandler
Ein schonde!
55 posted on 10/26/2003 5:37:52 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Alouette
What is it with these freaks that compels them to swathe themselves in other people's religious symbols?

It's the new happy-happy, I'm OK you're OK American religion, where all you have to say is "God loves me because I'm a nice person and that's all that matters."

Being a good Jew then, like the two fruits in the picture probably believe they are, means thinking that and eating some lox and bagels. Being a good Catholic means wearing a crucifix, hitting Mass on Easter and Christmas, and abstaining from meat on Fridays during Lent.
56 posted on 10/26/2003 10:05:25 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: radiohead
For the "newer gays", as you referred to them, everything about their sexuality is for political purposes. Political, meaning to make some sort of point.
57 posted on 10/26/2003 10:07:28 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: nwrep
Gay, lesbian couples can teach heterosexuals how to improve relationships: U of Wash

This is from "The Onion", isn't it?
(standard rhetorical comment on freakin', unbelievable stories/headlines).

But seriously, IIRC, both James Dobson ("Focus On The Family"; www.family.org) and other
Christian groups have had the bad manners to cite studies from (secular) scientific
journals and newspaper articles that show that even when gays are offered "gay marriage"
as in The Neatherlands, we find that the "marriage" lasts on average 1.5 years.

Of course, trying to explain the statistics of an institution to
someone with a gay agenda is just about hopeless...none so blind but those
who will NOT see.

Marriage between one man and one woman has always had problems...but as Churchill said about
democracy vs. all the other governmental models:
It beats all the other systems that have been tried.
58 posted on 10/26/2003 10:14:51 AM PST by VOA
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To: chicagolady
Over Memorial Day weekend, here in Chicago, the International Mr. Leather event returned.

Not doubting...but please post if you can readily find any press documentation.
(Presuming it won't get you banned from the forum!)
59 posted on 10/26/2003 10:16:46 AM PST by VOA
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To: PaxMacian
South Park Rules
See this weeks new episode.


If you are talking about the "Metrosexuals" episodes, I can attest that it's a screamer...
and I haven't even seen it.

A couple of days ago the early morning show on ESPN Sports Radio
(The Mike & Mikw Show) played the "Come Sail Away" song from the South Park Metrosexuals
episode.
I was howling with laughter!
60 posted on 10/26/2003 10:19:09 AM PST by VOA
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