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Gay, lesbian couples can teach heterosexuals how to improve relationships: U of Wash
University of Washington ^ | October 20, 2003 | Joel Schwarz

Posted on 10/25/2003 2:03:02 PM PDT by nwrep

October 20, 2003


Contact: Joel Schwarz
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University of Washington


Gay, lesbian couples can teach heterosexuals how to improve relationships

Married heterosexual couples can learn a great deal from gay and lesbian couples, far more than the stereotypical images presented by the television show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," according to the first published observational studies of homosexual relationships.

"Gay and lesbian couples are a lot more mature, more considerate in trying to improve a relationship and have a greater awareness of equality in a relationship than straight couples," said John Gottman, a University of Washington emeritus professor of psychology who directed the research along with Robert Levenson, a University of California, Berkeley, psychology professor.

"I think that in 200 years heterosexual relationships will be where gay and lesbian relationships are today," said Gottman, who now heads the Relationship Research Institute in Seattle.

In the first of two papers published this month in the Journal of Homosexuality, the researchers explored the conflict interaction of homosexual and heterosexual couples using mathematical modeling techniques. In the second study, they looked at factors influencing gay and lesbian couples' relationship satisfaction and dissolution.

"In the modeling paper we looked at processes, and they look so different you could draw a picture," said Gottman. "Straight couples start a conflict discussion in a much more negative place than do gays and lesbian couples. Homosexuals start the same kind of discussions with more humor and affection, are less domineering and show considerably more positive emotions than heterosexual couples.

"The way a discussion starts is critical. If it starts off in a bad way in a heterosexual relationship, we have found that it will become even more negative 96 percent of the time. Gays and lesbians are warmer, friendlier and less belligerent. You see it over and over in their discussions, and their partner is receiving the message they are communicating. In turn, their partner is allowing himself or herself to be influenced in a positive way. With married heterosexual couples a discussion is much more of a power struggle with someone being invalidated."

Gay and lesbian relationships seem to be marked by what Gottman calls "the triumph of positive emotions over negative emotions."

"Negative emotions have more impact in heterosexual relationships," he said. "This is why our previous research has shown you need a 5-to-1 ratio of positive to negative statements. This seems to be universal in heterosexual couples. But it may be different in gay and lesbian relationships where positive emotions seem to have a lot more power or influence."

Dan Yoshimoto, a UW psychology doctoral student who worked on the studies, added that the ways gays and lesbians resolve conflict may be the glue that maintains stability in homosexual relationships.

"They start and maintain a conversation a positive way and this may enable them to solve a problem and resolve conflict," he said."

What makes the new studies noteworthy is that they went beyond collecting self-reported data from questionnaires. While self reports produce important information, the researchers wrote, "there is considerable evidence that people's perceptions of their relationship may diverge quite markedly from their actual interaction." The researchers videotaped discussions each couple had about what occurred that day, a topic of ongoing conflict, and a pleasant topic to analyze the verbal and nonverbal content of their interaction during the talks and again at a later time when the partners viewed the tape individually. The researchers also collected an array of physiological data, including heart rate, during the conversations.

Homosexual couples in the studies were recruited in the San Francisco Bay area and they filled out a questionnaire that assessed relationship satisfaction. Forty pairs – 12 happy gay couples, 10 unhappy gay couples, 10 happy lesbian couples and 8 unhappy lesbian couples – were chosen to participate in the study. The comparison sample of married couples was drawn from a larger study that recruited couples from around Bloomington, Ind. It was matched in terms of age, marital satisfaction, education and income to the homosexual couples and consisted of 20 happy and 20 unhappy couples.

The researchers also collected data for 12 years on the relationships of the homosexual couples. By then eight couples (20 percent) – one gay and seven lesbian – had broken up. This rate, if projected over a 40-year period, would be almost 64 percent, which is similar to the 67 percent divorce rate for first marriages among heterosexual couples of the same time span.

Data also showed that while high levels of cardiovascular arousal among straight couples during a conflict conversation was a predictor of lower relationship satisfaction and higher risk for relationship dissolution, the reverse was true with homosexual couples. With gays and lesbians, low physiological arousal was related to these negative outcomes.

"Another interesting thing that emerged in conversations the couples had was that gays and lesbians are more honest. They talked explicitly about monogamy and sex. Those topics don't come up in 31 years of studying heterosexual couples," said Gottman. "Heterosexual are uptight in talking about sex and you don't hear explicit sexual talk. In reviewing the tapes of their conversations, you really don't know what they are talking about. Same sex couples talk about sex, and are more mature and honest and less fragile in talking about it.

Gottman also said: "The overall implication of this research is that we have to shake off all of the stereotypes of homosexual relationships and have more respect for them as committed relationships. Gays and lesbians may be more competent at having a mature relationship. Our data suggests our society needs to reconsider its policy and that we should value and honor love where ver we find it," Gottman said.

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The National Institute of Mental Health funded the research.

Co-authors of the conflict interaction paper were Catherine Swanson and Rebecca Tyson, both of whom earned their doctorates in applied mathematics at the UW, and Kristin Swanson, a UW research assistant professor of pathology. Co-authors of the study examining gay and lesbian relationship satisfaction were James Gross, a Stanford University associate professor of psychology; Barbara Frederick, University of Michigan psychology professor; Kim McCoy, a UC Berkeley psychology doctoral student; Leah Rosenthal, who earned a doctorate in psychology at UC Berkeley; and Anna Ruef, an assistant professor at Boston Veterans Administration Medical Center.

For more information, contact Gottman at (206) 832-0300 or johng@gottmanresearch.com; levenson at (510) 642-5050 boblev@socrates.berkeley.edu; or Yoshimoto at (206) 832-0317 or yosh@u.washington.edu


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To: xm177e2
The American Journal of Public Health has published a detailed study of battering victimization in the male homosexual community (December 2002, Vol. 92, No. 12). The probability-based sampling of "men who have sex with men" (MSM) focused on four geographical areas (San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York) and resulted in 2,881 completed telephone interviews.

Based on these responses, this first-of-its-kind study determined that the rate of battering victimization among gay men in the target group (men over 18 who had engaged in homosexual activity since age 14, or who identified as gay, homosexual, or bisexual) is "substantially higher than among heterosexual men" and also possibly higher than the rate for heterosexual women, according to the study.

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21 posted on 10/25/2003 2:53:23 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: nwrep
...the researchers explored the conflict interaction of homosexual and heterosexual couples using mathematical modeling techniques.

That settles the that!

22 posted on 10/25/2003 2:54:24 PM PDT by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: Mortimer Snavely
"Robert Levenson, a University of California, Berkeley ..."

They say the only two things of any noteworthiness to come out of Berkeley are Unix and LSD. Not coincidental, in my sarcasm-loaded opinion!
23 posted on 10/25/2003 2:55:22 PM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: nwrep
Study funded by National Institute of Health which is funded by the taxpayer. We paid for this idiotic crock of sh*t!
24 posted on 10/25/2003 2:57:26 PM PDT by Dionysius
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To: Babalu
Yep. A bit too convenient.

The other thing that's odd is that Gottman in the past has really shied away from survey research. His reputation was made in marital research using experimental observation of functioning couples.

I'm afraid that this might be politically motivated.
25 posted on 10/25/2003 2:58:53 PM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: nwrep
More likely to share a STD with their spouse..
The truth Is
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit..can never ever "Bless" two sodomites
or Lesbians with anything other than he did a Sodom & Gomorahh...
His nature -His Values- nor His Will - has not, nor ever it will change...
26 posted on 10/25/2003 3:11:53 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: xzins; nwrep
I think this illustrates that straight couples answer questionnaires candidly, and gay couples don't.

When something flies in the face of reason and logic, it's usually propaganda.

Gay couples live lives based on maladaption, deep-seated contrariness and aggressive resentment, all of which are the conflicted results of childhood sexual abuse.

27 posted on 10/25/2003 3:23:46 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: nwrep
"Gay and lesbian couples are a lot more mature, more considerate in trying to improve a relationship and have a greater awareness of equality in a relationship than straight couples"

What a load of crap.

28 posted on 10/25/2003 3:24:46 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Babalu
They say the only two things of any noteworthiness to come out of Berkeley are Unix and LSD.

Perhaps oddly, many of the key original Unix guys at Berkeley were gay. Some of them are still "domestic partners" to my understanding. The percentage of gays involved in the early years of Unix development is wildly out of proportion to the general population. One can hypothesize endlessly as to why this was.

29 posted on 10/25/2003 3:31:36 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: nwrep
The National Institute of Mental Health funded the research.

My taxdollars are subsidizing sodomy, I see. Ugh.

30 posted on 10/25/2003 3:35:09 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: xzins; *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; pram; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; ...
As my good Freep'in friend EdReform says: Bump and ping. That's about all the time I have this weekend... Thanks for the ping, xzins.

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31 posted on 10/25/2003 3:40:22 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: nwrep
Gay and lesbian couples are a lot more mature, more considerate in trying to improve a relationship

I haven't read all of the posts, so this may be repetitive, but give me a friggin' break!

I have known gay and lesbian people most of my life. In the pre-AIDs days, gay men were some of the most notoriously immature people I have ever met. I won't go into the sexual escapades, whoring, etc. that went on. From my viewpoint now, this hasn't changed that much - constantly changing partners, drug use and abuse, physical abuse run rampant. And God help you once you get older.

Regarding lesbians, I do think that they can have more longstanding and mature relationships due to the different sexual nature of women vs men, but I have known plenty that were as bad as the men.

There is nothing that I want to learn from gay or lesbian relationships in general. I do think that particular people can always teach us something, but to say that gays have better relationships is just not true.

I have gay people in my family. However, they are older now and matured when most gays were in the closet. I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong. It must be difficult to live that way. However, they seem to be much better balanced people than the young gays I've met. They are people, workers, family members first - their sexuality doesn't come into it.

Jeez, this is crap is going on at my school...

32 posted on 10/25/2003 3:41:25 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: TommyDale
"Oh, please!"

It's funny, that was the exact thought running through my mind when I read the first couple of paragraphs of this article (I couldn't get much further!).
33 posted on 10/25/2003 3:55:56 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Precisely why it's so odd that Gottman, the strongest advocate ever in the field of marital research for field observation research instead of survey research, has chosen in this study to desert his tried and insightful methodology and reverted to something that he himself has always somewhat questioned.

Survey research on these kinds of issues gives results that are all over the map. In the area of sexual experience outside the marriage bond for women, there've been studies that have demonstrated everything from a low of about 20% to a high of about 75% and everything in between. It's insane.
34 posted on 10/25/2003 4:41:41 PM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: GOPLUVSANAL; Dr. Eckleburg; scripter
Actually I'm a trained family educator and a marriage therapist in addition to being a pastor. MS, KSU mid-nineties. MDiv, ATS, early eighties.

It's a fascinating subject. The point is which is the group that really cares.....those who tell a drunk to keep on drinking, or those who point a drunk to a way to stop drinking? (Thought you might appreciate the alcohol illustration....:>)
36 posted on 10/25/2003 5:11:08 PM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: radiohead
I have gay family members who I care about but disaggree with extremely. They are very immature. Fights stem from what the other one is wearing to what they do. It is like watching two catty high school girls that are in extreme competition of one another. Also the turn over rates are so high in these cases. I have been a happily married heterosexual for 12 yrs-- in that time I have watched the homosexual part of the family go through tons of different relationships-Close to 7 to 8 relationships.
37 posted on 10/25/2003 5:16:03 PM PDT by jobedo
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To: nwrep

What is it with these freaks that compels them to swathe themselves in other people's religious symbols?

38 posted on 10/25/2003 5:18:42 PM PDT by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: xzins
Precisely why it's so odd that Gottman, the strongest advocate ever in the field of marital research for field observation research instead of survey research, has chosen in this study to desert his tried and insightful methodology and reverted to something that he himself has always somewhat questioned.

It is strange. I have a couple of his books. The one written about batterers was one of the best and most accurate books on the subject I have ever read.

39 posted on 10/25/2003 5:45:48 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: nwrep
No comment.
40 posted on 10/25/2003 6:23:56 PM PDT by Valin (A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject)
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