Police seek shooter who saved teen girl

The Detroit Free Press ^ | October 23, 2003 | DAN SHINE AND BEN SCHMITT

[Freemeorkillme]

Oh, and BTW, would you be feel the same if it was YOUR sister the hero saved?

[Unknowing]

This is a good discussion. The history aspects you mentioned were unknown to me, so thanks for the lesson. Your position is well considered, and argued with due diligence. Your fidelity is most worthy of honor. I really don't favor defending drive-by vigilates; I would have reported to the authorities, though I live in a far better state. And I probably would have interfered physically, not simply shot the perp. And I don't want to get into any teleological ethics if I don't have to.

However, I've stated the American position as best I could, and as I understand it. Here, Caesar is the People. And the New Covenant is the Torah written in the hearts of People; "love therefore is the fulfilment of the law." (Romans 13:10). That's also the epitome of the American political philosophy of individualism and family values. I do believe in the correctness of my position. And I am eager to stand before God to receive judgment for my thoughts and my words, for what I have done, and what I have failed to do.

[archy]

Our country was founded on the premise that ungodly laws and rulers cease to be legitimate governing authorities which must be obeyed (Rom. 13)but instead may be properly removed by the people and replaced with legitimate civil government and magistrates.

When government begins punishing the good and rewarding the evil, it ceases to fulfill the function of the civil magistrate in Rom. 13 and does not require obedience.

Just as church authorities may be similarly ignored when they abandon scriptural teachings and instead follow a *doctrine prescribed by man* rather than the biblical version given us as a gift of God.

To do less than disregard and ignore such insofar as is possible can result in such church-driven excesses as Papal assisinations and the sacrifice of the Cathars at Beziers circa 1209: Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet.

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[archy]

...I think that assessment of B-Chan is a tad harsh but as for turning myself in as the shooter I would have one thought in mind. If I do this, one thing is certain. My ass is gonna be sitting in jail and probably for a very long time. A long time ago I viewed those bars from the inside for a brief period, just long enough to know that I wouldn't care for the experience again. I'm just not that damn'd noble.

Never mind your selfish, if not at all entirely unreasonable, motivation for not hanging your head in shame for doing the job that those who are on the public payroll to protect that girl failed to do: a much better justification for the shooter/s to refrain from doing so liesin the fact that the problem was not solved with the loss of a single pipe-swinging piece of wretched human trash, but that others by the dozens and hundreds remain to threaten the local population. But a fine example has been set, and perhaps the predators there will not much care for the taste of being on the receiving end of what they've been giving out for so long.

Indeed; the whining complaints that such acts *take the law into ones own hands* most frequently come from those feeding at the public trough who are those responsible for that law having been abandoned, neglected and unused, in the street in the first place. Now if the shooters will also clean up some of the crooked cops also preying on Detroit's citizenry, the area might become safer from the brutal lunatics both in uniform and not.

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[archy]

It was Robin Hood.

Speculative and unproven. The descriptions of the driver, said to have been a portly gent in monk's brown habit, carrying a staff, and possibly somewhat intoxicated are unsupported and speculative.

And the beaten girl's name being Marion? Strictly a coincidence....

[river rat]

I read somewhere, recently-----

When an asshole and a bullet meet......it is a good thing.


Semper Fi

[Mark17]

Police seek shooter who saved teen girl: They want to lock him up and throw away the key

Yes they do, the bast---s. I have a feeling the guy will not turn himself in.

[nickcarraway]

I wouldn't advise him to. A few years ago in Alameda a woman was jogging along the beach and was attacked. She shot the guy, but took off. The police wanted her for questioning, but some lawyers on TV were advising her not to turn herself in. Self defense is a crime in the East Bay.

[Mark17]

Self defense is a crime in the East Bay.

Why doesn't this surprise me?

[nickcarraway]

Why doesn't this surprise me?

Because it's inevitable there. I have a friend who was prosecuted for self sefense in Oakland. He ended up getting off with probation, because they couldn't find the guy who attacked him and he shot. Then they found him in prison for sexual assault etc. and he had a long, long record. the prosecutor wanted to throw the book at him, but realized he didn't have a prayer given the person who was shot.

[Mark17]

Because it's inevitable there. I have a friend who was prosecuted for self sefense in Oakland. He ended up getting off with probation, because they couldn't find the guy who attacked him and he shot.

This is one of many reasons that I am leaving the country when I retire.

[nickcarraway]

This is one of many reasons that I am leaving the country when I retire.

Where else can you go? Fortunately, most places are not as anti self-defense as Oakland.

[Mark17]

Where else can you go?

To the Philippines. I just returned from there yesterday. I can't wait to go back.

[cyborg]

If this happened in NYC, our beloved district attorneys ould want to put this drive by-hero in jail.

[teeman8r]

the police would appreciate all alleged criminals turning themselves in to prevent the police from having to spend money from fighting the war on citizens at h ome...

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[Clemenza]

Carolyn McCarthy would call for the death penalty (making an exception for a "gun criminal") and Schumer would use it to argue for greater gun control in the Senate.

Isn't it great that those two sorry excuses for public servants have little power as part of the minority?

No matter what the situation, anyone who is beating another person with a lead pipe near death must be "tolerated with extreme prejudice."

[Critter]

Where do you see that quote? I couldn't find it in either article.

[archy]

Unless a person is called as a witness in a case at law, no law — statutory, moral, or otherwise — says that anybody has to tell anyone else anything.)

Title 18 United States Code [U.S. Criminal Code] Section 4: Misprision of Felony

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by the court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, is guilty of the federal crime of misprision of felony.

That's the section that the FBI used against Timothy McVeigh's sister Jennifer, telling her she'd be so charged unless she cooperated against her brother, and that with a USCS 18/4 felony conviction against her, whould henceforth be denied a living as a teacher, whether ever actually imprisoned or not.

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[Cacique]

If the version in the other story HERE is correct then the shooting was unjustified. Appareently there were five individuals and t5hey already had him on the ground. They should have effected a citizens arrest and held him for police. One of them wnet whacko and shot the guy while he was being held by others.

That having been said. If version one is correct, I would not turn myself in as I would be liable to penalties as well as being sued by the perp's family.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

LOL!!!