Police seek shooter who saved teen girl

The Detroit Free Press ^ | October 23, 2003 | DAN SHINE AND BEN SCHMITT

[paul51]

A hero fool does not skulk about in the shadows; he throws back his cloak to reveal his sword hand and boldly says, ”This was the hand that killed the beast. Condemn it if you can!”

You're giving society and the 'justice' system too much credit. The shooter is better off keeping quite. A bad guy rots. All is well

[nightdriver]

"No matter what the jury says, however, the shooter can hold his head high knowing that his actions were moral, if not necessarily legal."

I can't argue the primary point you're making, however, I wouldn't relish the shooter's life if he had to spend 20 to life "holding his head high," living with the buds of that pipe-wielder in prison.

"Without respect for law, our society will disintegrate."

When judicial benches and jury boxes are filled with humped-up, make-up-our-own-rules-as-we-go liberals, our society is already disintegrating.

[manic4organic]

Bye, Bye, Johnny! Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

[B-Chan]

And what happens when everyone loses respect for the law? Anarchy, that’s what. No thanks.

[Unknowing]

I think it was Mr. Jefferson who said that "disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God." I'm not comparing Mr. Jefferson with St. Paul; and I've not concluded that the Detroit criminal justice system is tyranical.

As free Americans, we hold as self-evident that the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle People to intitute government most likely to effect safety and happiness. We do not bow before Caesar: we pay Caesar to keep us safe. And we don't ever have to ask Pilate for permission to protect our children. Just my cheap opinion.

[B-Chan]

We do not bow before Caesar: we pay Caesar to keep us safe.

That’s not the Christian way. God put Caesar on the throne; disrespect to Caesar is disrespect to God. I know that doesn’t sit well, but that’s what God says and what St. Paul wrote. We don‘t have to like it – we just have to obey it.

And we don't ever have to ask Pilate for permission to protect our children.

I agree completely. We must, however, humbly stand before Pilate and allow him to judge our actions, and accept whatever punishment he metes out. That’s what our Lord did; dare we do less?

[paul51]

I don't know too many people that haven't already lost respect for the 'justice' system.It may not be so, but just for the sake of discussion, let's suppose the shooter in the posted article was in fact righteous. If he were to step forward, what do you suppose would happen?

[B-Chan]

let's suppose the shooter in the posted article was in fact righteous. If he were to step forward, what do you suppose would happen?

I suspect he’d be held for questioning, then released. Later, a grand jury would sit and decide whether to indict him or not. Here in Texas, grand juries no-bill citizen shooters all the time. Whether or not the shooter in this case is indicted for what he did, however, the point is that no one has the right to ignore the law. He should turn himself in and plead nolo — in other words, ”Yes, I killed him, but it was justifiable homicide, not murder."

[Sloth]

If the jury finds him innocent, justice is done. If not, then the shooter should humbly submit himself to injustice out of respect for the law and for the sake of the common weal.

What good is the law if it produces injustice?

God requires each person to defend himself, his family, and the lives of innocent people; we are required to render unto Caesar our obedience, but only when doing so does not require us to obey God.

I agree. But God also requires each person to care & provide for his family. By going forward, the shooter puts his ability to do that in jeopardy. Does God require greater allegiance to the state than to one's own children?

[ColdSteelTalon]

They are suckering the guman. Of course they are going to charge him if he/she comes forward.

[ColdSteelTalon]

They are suckering the gunman. Of course they are going to charge him if he/she comes forward.

[tracer]

Remember Bernie Getz's only mistake......

[Orange1998]

The shooter was on a "mission from GOD".

[ArrogantBustard]

God put Caesar Henry VIII on the throne;¹ disrespect to Caesar George III is disrespect to God² ... We must, however, humbly stand before Pilate Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna³...

1) Tell that to Saint Thomas More.
2) Tell that to John Hancock
3) You're at Texan ?!?!?!?!

[paul51]

Texas, maybe. In Ca he's bound over because we just can't have vigilantes and we sure can't have people walking around with guns. After he spends a couple hundred thousand defending himself while the da tries to make an example of him, hopefully he is off. After all that wasted time, money and resources hopefully he isn't completely broke and destroyed because the family, friends and attorneys of the victim would like to take another run at him in civil court. Even if he comes out of that vindicated, he is now totally broke and has lost 4 or five years of his life. If it were me, and I came upon a brutal assualt or rape or some such thing, if the only way I can stop it is by shooting the guy, I would ventilate him and walk away never to be seen or heard again. As it is, I carry illegally because I have no choice where I live, so in addition to everything above, I would get mauled for that if I didn't disappear.

[BSunday]

Come with me or there will be.....trouble

Well okay then.....BANG

[been_lurking]

A hero does not hide from the law; he does what he must, then lets Caesar judge his doings.

Caesar is dead. He's been dead for a very long time now.

I hope you didn't use this kind of logic in court yesterday, it could be the reason you lost.

[B-Chan]

What good is the law if it produces injustice?

What good is justice if each man is a law unto himself?

...God also requires each person to care & provide for his family. By going forward, the shooter puts his ability to do that in jeopardy. Does God require greater allegiance to the state than to one's own children?

Sophistry. By that logic no one is guilty of anything. As the Bible says, every man does what is right by his own standards — in other words, it’s only too easy for us to justify doing anything we want to for the sake of some greater good.

[Sloth]

in other words, it’s only too easy for us to justify doing anything we want to for the sake of some greater good.

Which, to be consistent, would seem to apply to your atitude toward gun-confiscation laws.

[albee]

Sgt. Schultz: "I saw notzing...heard notzing!"