Posted on 10/21/2003 5:59:13 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
UPDATE FROM TERRI'S VIGIL SITE ON LOCATION... by floriduh voter and drk4the1: TERRI IS NOT BEING RE-HYDRATED AT MORTON PLANT HOSPITAL IN CLEARWATER, FL. The Governor's Office is under the impression and reporting that the procedure started at 7:07 pm. While it's being reported to the family attorney that she is not going to receive anything. A telephonic hearing is scheduled to begin at 8:30 pm est with Judge Douglas Baird re: Michael Schiavo's suit against Gov. Bush and his executive order of today. Additionally, Michael S. is disputing his removal as Terri's legal guardian. Anything helpful appreciated. Contact floriduh voter or the drk screen name. We are outside fighting the mosquitoes. H E L P !!!!!
293 posted on 10/21/2003 8:51 PM EDT by floriduh voter (Please keep following Terri Threads. We aren't done yet... updates also at terrisfight.org)
Rough it was...going for a walk now in a cool autumn eve!
Proposal to Streamline and Make Our Death Rows in Prisons More Efficient at a Better Cost to TaxPayers
This proposal is to implement a better and more cost effective way to put a prisoner to death. To this point most states have used the following, and beside each I will put the reasons such are not cost-effective, or unable to be used:
1. Death by hanging – said to be cruel and unusual
2. Electrocution – electricity is a commodity that in this day and age needs to be limited. The environment takes a toll when one uses electricity to put a person to death.
3. Lethal Injection – this requires a doctor, easily wasting money
My proposal is simple. Starvation of a prisoner on death row is not only ethical (re: Schiavo case) it is also cost efficient. Past cases have shown this to be neither cruel or unusual, and the process has went through courts with little mass media coverage, or public outcry, except for from pro-life proponents who will argue against the alternative death row procedures as well. Each year we spend over $22,000 per prisoner to house, clothe and feed a prisoner. One that is on death row must also have burial cost picked up, and starvation would easily pay for those expenses when seen with also not using other more costly alternatives. If we look at a cost of $10 dollars a average for a prisoner and an average time till death of about 7 to 15 days, depending o the person. Of course also dehydrating the person would speed up the process, allowing the person to die in 3 to 4 days, a much more humane way of putting the person to death.
One may argue that this would cause severe trauma of the person, but one must also remember that the person being put to death is guilty in a court of law and has brought this on themselves. Can you name one person who the courts have ordered to die that did not deserve such? Such an argument is irrational, and unproductive in this case.
To successfully implement this the following conditions would have to be met:
1. No visitors. The visitors might give food to the prisoner and only prolong the ordeal, at higher costs to taxpayers.
2. No media coverage of the death. This will only give room for critics to talk.
In conclusion, this would easily save the prison system over a million dollars a year, if implemented correctly. Florida is leading the way in this new death row process and I would suggest sending observers to the state to speed up implementing this in your state.
by: Nick Queen
Actually I heard on the radio (sorry can't remember if it was the Rush sub, Glen Beck or Sean Hannity) that "persistent vegetative state" was coined by the judiciary, not the medical field. I think we need to get the judges out of medicine, probably could prune some doctors from the field as well.
If she does that repeatedly when she sees her Mom (not even frequently, just more than one or two) and she doesn't do that with anyone else, then I would agree with you.
All I'm saying is that I can't tell that from the video. When I first went to terrisfight.org and saw that great photo of Terri smiling up at her Mom, I couldn't wait to see the video moment. Then I realized that it was only one second of a fifteen second video clip, and that for the rest of the clip, Terri is just staring into space.
Again, if she only gives her Mom beaming smiles (even one-second ones), that's evidence she ain't in no PVS. But the videos are ambigiuous to me.
Your posts to this Internet forum are artificial as well. According to you, you are using an "artificial" means of communication. Since you have an aversion to machines in your life you should dump your computer out the window right now.
I've pushed enough Glucerna, Similac, and Ensure Plus into the g-tubes of sick people to last a lifetime. Some I enjoyed because I could get a response out of them & help brighten their day, however short that moment would be. And for some, I couldn't wait to get out of the room because I felt like an accomplice to unwanted suffering and lingering on. Some people are just better off being allowed to pass into the hereafter, in my opinion. For people truly in that condition, I think that letting them die is a merciful thing to do.
IOW, I've seen many, many people who were PVS and every time I entered the room I had thoughts that maybe they wouldn't be there any more. An empty bed would mean someone's suffering was finally over.
But I guaran-dang-tee you, any time I had those thoughts, it wasn't when they had the ability to smile back at me at the time.
There is a difference. The difference is often tangible and concrete. Like Terri.
Yassar Arafat and Carter won the Nobel Prize.
Were you trying to impress me?
The fact is all credible experts on this case say the same thing. Terri is in permanent vegetative state.
Of course if 13 years doesn't convince you...then listen to the witch doctors.
Whom do you believe -- the rigged "experts," or your own lying eyes?
If someone is close to Hospice - can they drive over to see what is happening?
All of them? Are you sure you want to stand by that?
It has been pinted out to you ad nausiam that :
1) Terris exhibits recognition and responds to events and communication to her. If you really watched the video with an open mind, you cannot help but see that.
2)Terri did not write a living will. Her husband indicated initially he would help and be a part of her rehabilitation...then when the money came in by the hundreds of thosuands, he changed his mind, stopped spending the money on her rehab and much later remembered that she wanted to die...which would leave him a lot of money.
3)When in doubt, if you want to retain your morality...err on the side of life.
I hope you'll open your heart and mind a little and consider these things.
She has parents who love her. WHo want nothing more than to care for her, give her the rehab she needs and to help her.
Have you ever had a child? Do you know how it is to love your own child?
If you did, and if you thought there was any chance for her recovery (and they do) then you would perhaps begin to understand.
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