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Officer: Saddam trained al-Qaida pre-9-11
http://www.worldnetdaily.com ^ | Posted: October 20, 2003 | WorldNetDaily.com

Posted on 10/20/2003 6:22:43 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

Officer: Saddam trained al-Qaida pre-9-11
Iraqi paper says Fedayeen supervised hijack drills in summer 2001

Saddam Hussein ordered the training of al-Qaida members two months before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to an independent Iraqi weekly.

The Fedayeen, under the command of Saddam's late son Uday, directly supervised 100 al-Qaida fighters who were split into two groups, reported Al-Yawm Al-Aakher, citing an Iraqi officer identified by the initial L.

One group went to Al-Nahrawan and the second to Salman Pak, near Baghdad, where they were trained to hijack airplanes, the officer said in an article translated by the Washington, D.C.-based Middle East Media Research Institute.

According to the testimony of Iraqi military defector Sabah Khalifa Khodada Alami, Iraqi intelligence had a Boeing 707 fuselage at Salman Pak used to train groups how to hijack planes without weapons. His claims were consistent with commercial satellite photos showing the fuselage. Saddam's regime insisted to U.N. inspectors Salman Pak was an anti-terror training camp for Iraqi special forces.

The Iraqi weekly, quoting the anonymous officer, said senior Fedayeen officers visited the al-Qaida fighters almost daily, "especially during the final days when they transferred them, late at night in two red trucks that belonged to the Ministry of Transportation, to an undisclosed destination."

"I witnessed that with my own eyes because on that day I was the duty officer," he said.

The officer recalled one day a Land Cruiser belonging to Saddam's personal security force, Al-Amn Al-Khass, arrived, and a senior officer, one of Saddam's personal bodyguards, stepped out.

After a two-hour meeting with a select group of officers at the Special Forces school, the officer said "we were informed that we would have dear guests, and that we should train them very well in a high level of secrecy – not to allow anyone to approach them or to talk to them in any way, shape or form."

About 100 trainees arrived a few days later, he said, a mixture of Arabs, Arabs from the Saudi peninsula, Muslim Afghans and other Muslims from various parts of the world.

The training, he said, was under direct supervision of a major general he identified only by his initials, M. DH. L, who he said now serves as a police commander in one of the provinces.

Most left Iraq after completion of their training, but others stayed through the last battle in Baghdad against coalition forces earlier this year.

The officer said he remembers the leader of the group was a Saudi cleric named Muhammad "who was a fervent and audacious individual and did not require much training."

"He was highly skilled, and could fire accurately at a target while riding a motorcycle," the Iraqi officer said. "Additionally, he used to deliver fiery sermons calling for jihad and for fighting the Americans anywhere in the world."

Surprisingly, he continued, "this man's picture, alongside the commander of the Special Forces school, was televised several times before the beginning of the war and the fall of the former regime."

At the beginning of the Iraq war this year, the officer said, "we were surprised to see the same people whom we had trained return to the Special Forces school and with them 100 additional individuals. The high command asked us to retrain them and to divide them into several groups to be deployed in various areas in Iraq."

"Truth be told," he said, "most of these individuals competed to go to war and to the front lines. Therefore, under pressure they participated immediately in extremely fierce battles that astonished the Iraqis and the Americans."

On April 5, about 100 of the foreign trainees were sent to the 11th company division on the front lines in Nasiriya.

"And for the sake of history," he said, "I will say that this division's endurance was due to some formidable fighters, the commanding officer and members of al-Qaida who fought with intensity and brutality that are seldom matched, while they were praising Allah: Allahu Akbar [Allah is great] … Allahu Akbar. …"

These battled, which took place for 17 days, forced coalition troops to withdraw and re-enter from the industrial areas of Nasiriya, he noted.

Others went to al-Kifl, he said, and participated in "extremely brutal battles."

"Not many of them retreated and they sacrificed their lives to Apache [helicopter] fire, amid the admiration of the Iraqis and the Americans themselves," he said. "The proof is that some of them blew themselves up in the midst of American forces."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alaakher; alnahrawan; alqaeda; alqaedaandiraq; alyawmalaakher; fedayeen; iraq; salmanpak; trueevidence; uday
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Saddam's late son Uday

Oh I like the sound of that!
And the world is a better place for him NOT being in it.

61 posted on 10/20/2003 9:51:54 PM PDT by Valin (I have my own little world, but it's okay - they know me here.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Bumping for a read tomorrow. Thanks!
62 posted on 10/20/2003 10:00:28 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: GoGophers
Ever hear of the old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

As to what Al Qaeda got, access to, a safe base, modern communications, intel, recruits, access to Iraqi embassies throught out the world. All in all a pretty good deal for them.
63 posted on 10/20/2003 10:01:26 PM PDT by Valin (I have my own little world, but it's okay - they know me here.)
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To: InterceptPoint
...Ya know, neither do I.

...Initially we saw NO TV Coverage from Imbed Reporters who went into SALMON PAK with the Marines. I saw only a single fleeting TV Tape showing the shell of a Jet Airliner and a Passenger Rail Car on FoX. T'was enough for me but it should have been playing all over CBS-NBC-ABC TV News as well and it wasn't.

...Even a BUSH-Supportng Former CLINTON CIA Director JAMES WOOLSEY had been focusing in on SALMOM PAK during the months leading up to the Iraq War.

...Nothing since from anyone.

AMAZING.
64 posted on 10/20/2003 10:01:59 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.)
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To: GoGophers; Sofa King
Claiming that Saddam would not be threatened by al-Queda operating within the borders of Iraq is substantial evidence of your ignorance. Concern over Islamic fundamentalism is one of the reasons Iraq invaded Iran in 1980

You sort of miss the obvious, the opportunistic nature of Saddam and bin Laden. They both share(d)a hatred of the United States. Iraq wanted out of the grip of the US and bin Laden wanted the US out of the region. Iraq had no way to wage a war for their objectives, bin Laden had a network of men. Iraq had money, technical ability and a country within which to train and house terrorists outside of the watchful eye of the world.

Even though Shia Muslims were the majority in Iraq, Saddam ruled them. And bin Laden and the Taliban Wahabis were killing the Shias in Afghanistan by the thousand. There was no natural religious alliance that Saddam need fear, and both had much to gain.

65 posted on 10/20/2003 10:31:50 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Does not matter to Liberals as they dont and cannot defend me and my family from ME Terrorists.

This connection must be rejected by them to make their lives easier and to focus on the redistribution of weatlth.
67 posted on 10/20/2003 11:01:48 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Why is Arafat still alive? He just killed 3 of my countrymen there to interview for scholarships.)
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To: nospinzone
"But now, he's not above exploiting them for his own gain, just look at the way his letters appeal to the zealots, urging them to "fight the crusaders" and "wage jihad.""

Don't forget the other end of it- IIRC, Al-Queda used American flight schools to learn how to fly the planes. Al-Queda isn't particular at all about where it operates from. As long as they had the US to fight, co-existing with Saddam was no problem for them.

"Me and my brother against my cousin; me and my cousin against the world"
68 posted on 10/20/2003 11:23:43 PM PDT by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS! http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/)
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To: GoGophers
Concern over Islamic fundamentalism is one of the reasons Iraq invaded Iran in 1980...

Partially correct, but not entirely, Saddam Hussein's concern was over Shiite fundamentalism, the form practiced in Iran, and boosted by the ascencion of Ayatollah Khomeni. Saddam Hussein, his cronies, and almost the entire Ba'ath party, are SUNNI Muslims, which while they held the power, were a numerical minority. Would, or could he have joined forces with OBL, also a Sunni? My opinion is yes, as there is precious little love lost between the two sects.

Politics, especially mixed with religion can make for strange bedfellows, indeed...

the infowarrior

69 posted on 10/20/2003 11:59:05 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
71 posted on 10/21/2003 4:04:19 AM PDT by windchime
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To: Sofa King
I can tell you what it doesn't mean: that Saddam and counter-terrorism units. You have no evidence that the training camp is for counter-terrorism units. No amount of floundering is going to change that fact.

I have offered an alternative hypothesis that will remain as or more credible as your hypothesis until you can explain the benefit al-Queda realized by cooperating with Saddam Hussein by sharing operational information, which is a significant deviation from the SOP of a terrorist group.

Al-Queda is not Iran, and this is not 1980. All you do when you call me ignorant without actually bothering to give any reasoning why what I said was untrue is show yourself to be full of shit.

Al-Queda and Iran represent the same type of threat -- Islamic fundamentalism. The fact that you don't appear to understand the connection speaks to your ignorance on this issue.

Seeing as you have yet to answer my question, you really have no room to complain.

I have answered your questions repeatedly. Your discomfort with my answers does not alter that reality.

72 posted on 10/21/2003 4:07:02 AM PDT by GoGophers
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To: bte49712; Sofa King
Saddam was a Sunni Muslim, but in the same way Bill Clinton is a Southern Baptist--for show only.

Exactly!

73 posted on 10/21/2003 4:08:41 AM PDT by GoGophers
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To: Dolphy
Iraq had money, technical ability and a country within which to train and house terrorists outside of the watchful eye of the world.

OBL had the necessary funds and training camps without the help of the Iraqs. The 9/11 terrorists gained the technical expertise in the United States at American flight schools. Thus, OBL had no rationale to cooperate with a professed enemy.

74 posted on 10/21/2003 4:11:28 AM PDT by GoGophers
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To: Valin
As to what Al Qaeda got, access to, a safe base, modern communications, intel, recruits, access to Iraqi embassies throught out the world. All in all a pretty good deal for them.

Access to a safe base: Afghanistan
Modern communications: Cell phones and e-mail
Intel: Gathered by al-Queda members found in over forty different countries
Recruits: Saudi Arabia
Access to Iraqi embassies: Evidence?

75 posted on 10/21/2003 4:15:14 AM PDT by GoGophers
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To: nospinzone
Al-Queda depends on terrorist states for funding and locations for training camps.

Afghanistan

76 posted on 10/21/2003 4:16:02 AM PDT by GoGophers
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To: bte49712
Saddam himself may be a Sunni only for show, even as you say, but absent the support of the Sunni community, a minority in Iraq, how long would he have lasted?

theinfowarrior

77 posted on 10/21/2003 4:34:39 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: infowarrior
Saddam himself may be a Sunni only for show, even as you say, but absent the support of the Sunni community, a minority in Iraq, how long would he have lasted?

Saddam used patronage to maintain the support of the Sunni community and coercion to keep the rest of the Iraqi population under control.

78 posted on 10/21/2003 5:46:30 AM PDT by GoGophers
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To: GoGophers
"I have offered an alternative hypothesis that will remain as or more credible as your hypothesis until you can explain the benefit al-Queda realized by cooperating with Saddam Hussein by sharing operational information, which is a significant deviation from the SOP of a terrorist group."

You mean you want it explained to you AGAIN? Somehow, the fact that you're slow on the uptake doesn't surprise me. Try re-reading posts #60, #65, and #38 a couple dozen times. If you still can't understand it, then just admit that you're too stupid to be debating politics and stop wasting FR's bandwidth.

"Al-Queda and Iran represent the same type of threat -- Islamic fundamentalism. The fact that you don't appear to understand the connection speaks to your ignorance on this issue."

The only ignorance here is your pathetic over-simplification of middle east politics. You're too ignorant to understand that things have changed since 1980 (before America was enemy #1, before a little thing called Desert Storm) and you're too ignorant to grasp the differences between Iran and Al-Queda (hint: One is a nation, the other is a terrorist organization).

"I have answered your questions repeatedly. Your discomfort with my answers does not alter that reality."

No, you never answered the question that I asked you in response to your question, and it is no more of an inappropriate waste of time than yours.

79 posted on 10/21/2003 6:30:11 AM PDT by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS! http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/)
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To: Sofa King
You mean you want it explained to you AGAIN? Somehow, the fact that you're slow on the uptake doesn't surprise me. Try re-reading posts #60, #65, and #38 a couple dozen times. If you still can't understand it, then just admit that you're too stupid to be debating politics and stop wasting FR's bandwidth.

I am finished wasting my time debating you. You seem impervious to logic so further discussion would be irrational.

80 posted on 10/21/2003 6:38:17 AM PDT by GoGophers
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