Posted on 10/16/2003 7:34:12 AM PDT by Gargantua
Time To Engage God's (America's) Enemies
It has been said that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing. It's time for Christians to pull our heads out of the sand and take a stand.
One man in California has the Supreme Court of this land now reviewing whether the phrase "under God" should be removed from our Pledge of Allegiance. The Chief Justice of State of Alabama cannot have a display of the Ten Commandments on courthouse property, despite that they are commonly acknowledged to be the basis for all of Western Law. A high school in Louisiana is being sued by the ACLU for saying prayers before football games.
The Liberal Secular Extremists cite the mythical "wall of separation" clause... which appears nowhere in our Constitution.
This is a war, and it is a war to remove every mention of God from every corner of American public life. The goal here is not to enforce our Founders' intent in having written the Constitution, rather it is to eradicate the single source of goodness, truth, and justice (and all of our Constitutionally listed rights...!) the world has in its possession... the Holy Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
If indeed our Rights as enumerated in our Constitution are inalienable—that is, cannot be taken from us—because, as our founders wrote, they are granted to us by God the Creator Himself, what praytell becomes of those "Rights" once God is forbidden His rightful place... or even any place... in our society or Government?
If the Christians in America, a nation founded by Christians upon the solid rock of the Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, do not fight back with everything God has blessed us with, then we are giving victory to an evil which intends to consume us. We are allowing the immoral to dictate the terms to the moral, and that is then game, set, and match.
There is far more at stake here than whether Washington was a Deist, or whether one sentence from Jefferson's letter to some guy in Connecticut should be used to supersede and reinterpret our entire Constitution. These are not valid arguments, and The Library of Congress has extensive documentation available online which dispels any such deceit.
http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/religion.html
For this war to have gotten to the advanced stage where it now sits on our doorstep and snarls at us like the Hounds of Hell unleashed is the fault not of the minions of Satan who merely do the bidding of their vile master, rather it is the fault of every Christian in this once God-fearing nation who has sat idly by and hoped it would go away.
It is not going to go away. It is coming for us... in our homes, our schools, our places of work and our places of worship. It is time to take a stand and speak the Truth. Then speak It again. And again.
Inasmuch as this conflict, for the time being, remains a war of ideas and ideology, it is still possible to fight it just by speaking out, by letting the Holy Spirit within us move our hearts and tongues to take a vocal and unrelenting stand for what is right.
Whether our discourse in this matter offends some Muslims or Krishnas is not at issue. It is, in fact, a non-issue, and has no place in our deliberations. It is a diversion concocted by those who hate God.
The only issue here is whether our discourse offends God. We can pray that it lifts Him up in praise and glorifies Him, for that in the only way that we will succeed in our quest.
We must raise an outcry that reaches not only to the ACLU, not only to our schools, not only to the courts, not only to the Congress of the United States...
...but one which reaches straight to Heaven, for it is there, and there alone, where all hope for mankind—and America—lies.
May God give us His will, the strength to fight this good fight.
Evidently, you don't watch the news. Chief Justice Roy Moore has stated this fact about the Decl. of Indep. many times on national TV. Argue with the Chief Justice of the Court of Alabama. I don't have to prove a fact to you. I also have better things to do. Suffice to say - YOU LOST THE POINT. Deal with it.
So, what is meant by "rightful place" in this context?
- some in uniform
That is the problem. Otherwise, yes. Out of uniform he's speaking as a private citizen, in uniform he's speaking for the Army. He's a big Army cheese. He certainly will be questioned about it. Were he a sergeant, he'd probably get an Article 15.
Therein is the rub.
But it is okay to hand out condoms and free abortions, at taxpayer expense?
What a convenient excuse.
But, one atheist is trying to prevent hundreds of Christian children from praying before a high school football game.Apparently, you are referring to Santa Fe ISD v. Doe, where the Court ruled 6-3 that a public school event with a secular purpose (in this case a football game) could not include prayer in the formal agenda. The plaintiffs in this case were Roman Catholic and Mormon families tired of the pervasive Baptist prosletyzing in their public schools.
Please note that this decision, heavily referenced in the Ninth Circuit's ruling in the Pledge case, was decided by the same Court that will review their decision.
-Eric
I might add that our founding fathers believed that God was the source of right and wrong, and the D of I refers to God 4 times! The Constitution ends with "In the Year of Our Lord" - who is that do you suppose? Krishna?It was a conventional method for dating formal documents of the era, probably used automatically. The Framers wrote a very precise document that has stood the test of over 200 years, don't you think that if they intended it (and the government) to be considered subordinate to a Deity they would have said so?
You are definitely at odds with our founders with your secular deism.While key Founders and Framers such as Jefferson, Franklin, and Paine were Deists with doubts as to the divinity of Christ, most were indeed Christians. That didn't neccesarily mean they thought the government should give Christianity special status. Luther Martin, who did think so, believed himself to be strongly in the minority.
The part of the system, which provides that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States, was adopted by a great majority of the convention, and without much debate,--however, there were some members so unfashionable as to think that a belief of the existence of a Deity, and of a state of future rewards and punishments would be some security for the good conduct of our rulers, and that in a Christian country it would be at least decent to hold out some distinction between the professors of Christianity and downright infidelity or paganism.
Deism did not take hold in early America. Even the skeptic's shining hero, Franklin, called FOR PRAYER at the constitutional convention and acknowledged God as the one who won the war! Pretty good for a deist! I can quote his speech for you verbatum - need it?A Deist believes in God, though not in organized religion. Franklin believed in prayer (some Deists do, some do not) but had doubts as to the divinity of Christ.
History records that Franklin's call to begin each session of the Convention with a prayer was seconded but never voted on or adopted. It was made at the end of a particularly contentious session. It's probable that he did not make it in earnest, but to divert attention from a rather acrimonious debate so that the session could end on a calmer note. He did such things several times during the Convention.
-Eric
That refers back to the same Jefferson letter referenced in Everson 1947, yes? I didn't know there was an earlier SC reference to it, but it does not change my view that the "wall of separation" of current interpretation is a specious invention of our activist judiciary.Yes, indeed Everson references Justice Waite's opinion in Morrison, if I'm not mistaken. Madison, in documents found in 1946, used language similar to Jefferson's:
Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.
The earliest separationist Supreme Court decision I have been able to find dates back to 1860, from Melvin v. Easley.
Christianity is not established by law, and the genius of our institutions requires that the Church and the State should be kept separate....The state confesses its incompetency to judge spiritual matters between men or between man and his maker ... spiritual matters are exclusively in the hands of teachers of religion.
-Eric
And President Clinton stated on national TV that he never had sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky. Merely saying something on national TV doesn't make that thing a fact.
You're making an assertion about the Declaration of Independence being law in this country. You need to provide the statutory or case law reference that supports this claim.
Atheists, after all, are tools of Satan, and that's what Satan wants them to do.
;-/
The post used three examples, all in the same paragraph.
I just can't get excited and exercised any more when some nut gets a favorable court decision.
They usually win Pyrrhic victories.
I simply obtain a "One Nation Under God" bumper sticker and encourage others to do the same.
This clown will have "Under God" in his face more for the rest of his life than he ever imagined in his worst nightmare.
I think that defines grasping at straws. What place have menorrahs, Buddhas, or Hindu gods at the annual world-wide celebration of the Birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ... also known as Christmas?
Think before you spew, you're embarrassing yourself.
Some Christians.
I despise the in-your-face religeous controllers of any faith.
That explains it. Thanks.
Nothing.
It is presumptuous (and clearly irreligious, and moronic) in the extreme to think that you or anyone else can make God (and his given rights) disappear because you get in my face about it.
I understand the Taliban are still recruiting. Good luck.
Is the general permitted to say nothing anywhere any place? I don't think so....
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