Posted on 10/16/2003 7:34:12 AM PDT by Gargantua
Evidently, you don't watch the news. Chief Justice Roy Moore has stated this fact about the Decl. of Indep. many times on national TV. Argue with the Chief Justice of the Court of Alabama. I don't have to prove a fact to you. I also have better things to do. Suffice to say - YOU LOST THE POINT. Deal with it.
So, what is meant by "rightful place" in this context?
- some in uniform
That is the problem. Otherwise, yes. Out of uniform he's speaking as a private citizen, in uniform he's speaking for the Army. He's a big Army cheese. He certainly will be questioned about it. Were he a sergeant, he'd probably get an Article 15.
Therein is the rub.
But it is okay to hand out condoms and free abortions, at taxpayer expense?
What a convenient excuse.
But, one atheist is trying to prevent hundreds of Christian children from praying before a high school football game.Apparently, you are referring to Santa Fe ISD v. Doe, where the Court ruled 6-3 that a public school event with a secular purpose (in this case a football game) could not include prayer in the formal agenda. The plaintiffs in this case were Roman Catholic and Mormon families tired of the pervasive Baptist prosletyzing in their public schools.
Please note that this decision, heavily referenced in the Ninth Circuit's ruling in the Pledge case, was decided by the same Court that will review their decision.
-Eric
I might add that our founding fathers believed that God was the source of right and wrong, and the D of I refers to God 4 times! The Constitution ends with "In the Year of Our Lord" - who is that do you suppose? Krishna?It was a conventional method for dating formal documents of the era, probably used automatically. The Framers wrote a very precise document that has stood the test of over 200 years, don't you think that if they intended it (and the government) to be considered subordinate to a Deity they would have said so?
You are definitely at odds with our founders with your secular deism.While key Founders and Framers such as Jefferson, Franklin, and Paine were Deists with doubts as to the divinity of Christ, most were indeed Christians. That didn't neccesarily mean they thought the government should give Christianity special status. Luther Martin, who did think so, believed himself to be strongly in the minority.
The part of the system, which provides that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States, was adopted by a great majority of the convention, and without much debate,--however, there were some members so unfashionable as to think that a belief of the existence of a Deity, and of a state of future rewards and punishments would be some security for the good conduct of our rulers, and that in a Christian country it would be at least decent to hold out some distinction between the professors of Christianity and downright infidelity or paganism.
Deism did not take hold in early America. Even the skeptic's shining hero, Franklin, called FOR PRAYER at the constitutional convention and acknowledged God as the one who won the war! Pretty good for a deist! I can quote his speech for you verbatum - need it?A Deist believes in God, though not in organized religion. Franklin believed in prayer (some Deists do, some do not) but had doubts as to the divinity of Christ.
History records that Franklin's call to begin each session of the Convention with a prayer was seconded but never voted on or adopted. It was made at the end of a particularly contentious session. It's probable that he did not make it in earnest, but to divert attention from a rather acrimonious debate so that the session could end on a calmer note. He did such things several times during the Convention.
-Eric
That refers back to the same Jefferson letter referenced in Everson 1947, yes? I didn't know there was an earlier SC reference to it, but it does not change my view that the "wall of separation" of current interpretation is a specious invention of our activist judiciary.Yes, indeed Everson references Justice Waite's opinion in Morrison, if I'm not mistaken. Madison, in documents found in 1946, used language similar to Jefferson's:
Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.
The earliest separationist Supreme Court decision I have been able to find dates back to 1860, from Melvin v. Easley.
Christianity is not established by law, and the genius of our institutions requires that the Church and the State should be kept separate....The state confesses its incompetency to judge spiritual matters between men or between man and his maker ... spiritual matters are exclusively in the hands of teachers of religion.
-Eric
And President Clinton stated on national TV that he never had sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky. Merely saying something on national TV doesn't make that thing a fact.
You're making an assertion about the Declaration of Independence being law in this country. You need to provide the statutory or case law reference that supports this claim.
Atheists, after all, are tools of Satan, and that's what Satan wants them to do.
;-/
The post used three examples, all in the same paragraph.
I just can't get excited and exercised any more when some nut gets a favorable court decision.
They usually win Pyrrhic victories.
I simply obtain a "One Nation Under God" bumper sticker and encourage others to do the same.
This clown will have "Under God" in his face more for the rest of his life than he ever imagined in his worst nightmare.
I think that defines grasping at straws. What place have menorrahs, Buddhas, or Hindu gods at the annual world-wide celebration of the Birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ... also known as Christmas?
Think before you spew, you're embarrassing yourself.
Some Christians.
I despise the in-your-face religeous controllers of any faith.
That explains it. Thanks.
Nothing.
It is presumptuous (and clearly irreligious, and moronic) in the extreme to think that you or anyone else can make God (and his given rights) disappear because you get in my face about it.
I understand the Taliban are still recruiting. Good luck.
Is the general permitted to say nothing anywhere any place? I don't think so....
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