Posted on 11/10/2020 7:39:47 PM PST by entropy12
Voter identification is only on the outside envelope. Ballot itself has no identification. (secret voting protocol)
Do you mean ALL ballots are invalid? Because secret ballots do not have identification of voter. No way to segregate any particular ballot or ballots.
You think the politicians have courage to face wrath of media ?
They can use the mail cover system to verify who received ballots and who returned them...
The remedy for chaotic and illegal voting is clearly spelled out in constitution. No additional law is required to follow the constitution.
The state legislators have two choices (and only two choices):
—Select electors to represent the state by the appropriate deadline for that state (perhaps as extended by the courts)
—Fail to select the electors by the appropriate deadline
In either event the US Congress (one vote per state) has the final say.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/321116/americans-remain-distrustful-mass-media.aspx
40% of Americans trust the media—60% do not.
This is not the 1950s where the mass media rule.
Republican legislators already have more than 40% of the populace hating their guts.
It is no major change (or stunning act of courage) to anger that same group yet again.
That does not tell them whom they voted for. Let’s say I received ballot in mail and it was duly returned with a vote for Biden
Later examination shows I died in Jan 2020. But now my paper ballot is mixed in with all ballots. No way to isolate my paper ballot to subtract 1 Biden vote.j
They need to produce ballot number matches to the voter log numbers of those who actually were said to have voted in a given precinct. That is the usual and easiest way to fraud. The sealed boxes when opened should have the numbers of ballots that the manifest on the boxes says that there are.
That was how the fraud in Detroit was discovered in 2016. One such box showed 306 ballots but they found only 51 in them. They had run the ballots thru the tabulators 6 times. Thus instead of 50 votes for Hillary and one vote for Trump, it was 300 for Hillary and 6 votes for Trump. Other times, the recorded “as voted” numbers didn’t match the ballot numbers or seals on boxes were broken making them no good for the recounts. Thus the recounts got stopped and Trump got certified the winner in Michigan. He probably won by more votes in 2016 but we’ll never know.
The Legislatures could make assigning the electors more palatable by divvying up the electors by a ratio that includes the minority party representatives and by giving the senate of that state half the electors(who would also assign the electors by party ratios) and by giving the Governor one elector choice. It would be interesting to see the weird elector numbers from such actions but it might be the best compromise from otherwise tainted races. Trump would come out ahead in those states but he wouldn’t get everything.
“No revote. Counties that allowed or couldn’t prevent fraud should be punished by having their votes invalidated. Call it accountability. It’s the only way they will clean up their act.”
Exactly, political districts that engage in voter fraud need to be punished for their criminal behavior. That means ALL ballots are discounted. When the corrupt urban areas “clean up” their dishonest voting behavior, they get their votes counted.
We have tougher standards for college athletics then federal elections. When an athlete or coach gets caught cheating, the whole program gets punished not just guilty parties.
These urban areas have been inflating their numbers for a variety of reasons:
1) Illegal alien transients give them a disproportionate advantage in the House of Representatives, which transitions over to the electoral college in Presidential elections. Rural areas also sabotage their advantage by not filling out Census forms, due to their suspicion of government.
2) Urban areas inflate their numbers so they benefit from Federal grants and other handouts based on population, economic need, gender, and race.
Voter fraud will continue in the usual places, till people get fed up and demand punishment for the perpetrators.
Democrats will not be punished as long as Republicans cede government bureaucracies to them. We are paying a big price by being private sector orientated.
You're right about the fact that once the ballot is completely separated from the envelope and/or secrecy sleeve and moved to a different pile or room, there's no way of tracking which voter the ballot came from.
But your statement above is incorrect. Or at least it is for the County in which I live, and for which I carefully watched the counting operation last Tues evening as a GOP poll watcher. Caveat: my County doesn't necessarily count everything the exact same way as every other county. (FYI it tilts strongly Dem, though the County Clerk is still GOP for now but that'll likely change in 2 yrs when her term's up, given our rapidly changing demographics. I sure hope the transparency & fairness don't change when a Dem takes over her job.)
What I saw was this: Vehicles arriving at the back entrance each had two people in them, one R and one D. After the ballots were arranged into neat stacks face forward and top edge up, they went thru this machine which read the code on the envelopes to record in a DB the name of each voter, and to compare the sig on the back side of the envelope with the sig in their records. It was incredible how fast it did its job. (I asked, and they said they bought it around 8 yrs ago, so it's not even the latest technology).
The vast majority were deemed a sig-match, and only then did they get sent to a room with 3 machines that slit open the envelopes and separated out the ballots.
Signatures that the machine wasn't able to verify as matching were kicked out to a different output tray. These were then taken to the manual sjg-match operation. This consisted of at least 20 teams of people, 2 per team, again 1 from each party. They looked at magnified images of the sig on the ballot & the sig in the DB that was a scan of what the voter signed when they registered. Only if both the R & the D team members agreed they matched, did the envelope get sent to the room that slit open the envelopes.
I should have said that the vehicles I mention above were carrying the sealed ballot boxes from various polling stations around county.
You make an interesting point that I hadn’t thought of. It’s easy to tell whether something has been printed or copied. Any copied ballots should be thrown out — but not before the votes on it are noted, so that a trend (like how many voted Dem and how many only voted Biden) can be discovered.
The Leftists will riot. It’s what Leftists do. That should not prevent the adults in the room from making mature decisions in order to not disenfranchise the voters who chose Trump.
The only people who don’t want a light shone on Election Fraud are those who perpetrated it and those who condone and protect their lawlessness.
Thank you for such detailed reply. If all counties followed that procedure it would make a secure election.
However there are dozens of videos where republican observers were forced to be 10, 20 feet away. And unable to see ballots being opened and see the signatures etc.
And any missing ballots can be assumed to be frauds even though you don’t have the proof
You’re wrong. Consider yourself corrected.
Unless there's fraud of course.
You got it.
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