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1 posted on 06/29/2017 9:50:43 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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It is not fair at all that those who choose to live more healthy in their lifestyle must bear the brunt of costs for those who choose to smoke, drink, drug, and self-abuse themselves into chronic illness (and health care costs).

But what is most frustrating of all - not a single plan put forward has done a SINGLE thing to address the REASONS for the skyrocketing healthcare costs (with or without ObamaCare).


2 posted on 06/29/2017 9:56:00 AM PDT by TheBattman (Gun control works - just ask Chicago...)
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Is there a Cliffs Notes versions for those of us working while reading FR?


3 posted on 06/29/2017 9:56:35 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012 ("Be quiet... you are #fakenews!")
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Anything other than full repeal is unconstitutional.


4 posted on 06/29/2017 10:02:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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“Cruz, an anti-Obamacare firebrand..”

Cruz is not just anti-Obamacare, he is a constitutionalist. As such he is fully aware that any implementation of healthcare by the Federal Government is ILLEGAL!

Unless, healthcare is written into the constitution.

Cruz knows.. “The power of healthcare is not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, and the power of healthcare is therefore reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” [10th amendment]

So, since the power of healthcare is not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, it illegal if the feds just take the power.

The only way for the feds to take the power is to have healthcare specifically delegated to the United States by having the states pass an amendment. Just like alcohol. No amendment, no power!

No amendment, no power. Otherwise, the power has been taken by force, and it is tyranny!

PASS THE AMENDMENT!!


5 posted on 06/29/2017 10:02:55 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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Thanks for posting this. However it’s so loaded with socialist perspective it’s almost incomprehensible to me, anyway. For starters, this is false — utter BS “It has been a vexing quest. Obamacare’s protections for people with preexisting conditions — the requirement that health plans cover every American regardless of health status and the prohibition on charging sick people more than healthy people — are overwhelmingly popular. “. BULLKRAP! We are acquainted with perhaps 300 liberals/ proto-commies and nary a one has said they like Obamacare. They realize it’s a very dysfunctional unworkable scheme and ESPECIALLY MOST PARTICULARLY the quoted provisions!!! Some leftists still want us taxpayers to pay for rheir medical care - but they want it to at least work. They don’t find Obamacare at all “popular” or to their liking. We need to hold congress’ feet to the fire to repeal Obamacare now. Let the states provide whatever free medical insurances they may wish. If socialized medicine is “popular” in a state, that state’s politicians will “provide” it there.


6 posted on 06/29/2017 10:04:56 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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I actually thought this was always in the bill. Having to pay for abortions, maternity, pediatrics, drug rehab, sex changes, things I will never need now has prevented me and many others from being able to afford insurance. I’d be willing to pay for risks that pertain to me. I got flamed for saying this previously, but I am talking about buying an individual policy, not a group policy, which is what was confusing many.


8 posted on 06/29/2017 10:06:47 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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If conservatives had it their way, they would probably repeal all of Obamacare’s insurance mandates: the preexisting conditions protections, the requirement that plans cover certain essential health benefits, the rules for how much of a person’s medical costs a plan must cover, etc
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Along with removing all of the federal agencies and offices and staff, as well as the federal record-keeping of all medical records.

Damn straight that’s what conservatives want.

The repeal of the (un)Affordable Care Act, lock stock and barrel like McConnell told us he would.


9 posted on 06/29/2017 10:07:04 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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Interesting proposal. It pits government insurance directly against open market insurance - let the better plan win.

My idea is more simple. Revoke every single waiver issued by Obama and vigorously enforce Obamacare’s taxes. In other words, go full throttle Obamacare. Congress and all the others lose their waivers. Unions have to pay the Cadillac tax, restraunts in Pelosi’s district lose their waiver, and so on.

Let America feel the full harms of Obamacare. Then we can have a sane discussion about open markets and individual liberty.


14 posted on 06/29/2017 10:11:44 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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sick of the wimps on The Hill -— kill O-Care already !!!! just do it....


19 posted on 06/29/2017 10:14:21 AM PDT by nevermorelenore ( I miss Reagan !)
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No legislative text of Cruz’s proposal is yet available, but this is the gist: As long as a health plan offered at least one Obamacare-compliant plan in a state, the plan would also be allowed to offer non-Obamacare-compliant plans in that state.


Excellent idea if played right.

I think the most important thing is to phase it out for newcomers.

THE CLAUSE MUST READ FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS ONLY.

This way, people will realize that they need to pay for any insurance NOW. Even a catastrophic plan. Because “previous conditions” is being phased out in three years, and insurance companies should not have to pay out on sick people who were not already insured. And no one knows when they or their children might get a serious condition or accident.

The people who sign up in the next three years and get help while already sick is a finite group. We all suck it up and carry them FOR LONG TERM GOALS.

But as long as we inform everyone in the country that they only have three years and then previous conditions are done, they all have time to sign up for at least a cheap catastrophic plan.

Best part about making the clause temporary: AFTERWARDS THE SOB STORIES WILL BACKFIRE. You had three effing years to sign up for ANYTHING. You must have wanted your child to die!!


22 posted on 06/29/2017 10:18:01 AM PDT by Yaelle
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Intriguing. I assume non-Obamacare compliant policies would not be forced to accept people with pre-existing conditions, currently required by the Senate bill, and could cap total payout at a certain amount? Because unless it does that then it will do nothing to reduce the cost of premiums.


25 posted on 06/29/2017 10:23:35 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Bump for later.


28 posted on 06/29/2017 10:31:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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I think Sen. Cruz is on to something. Personal preference is repeal and replace, assuming that cannot happen perhaps this is credible first step.

I say that under the assumption that insurance providers can be sourced from out-of-State. That the non-idiot care market has competitive pressure.


32 posted on 06/29/2017 10:48:48 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Next thing you know, 'ol Jed's a millionaire)
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Yeah, just repeal the GD thing as they promised!


33 posted on 06/29/2017 10:49:08 AM PDT by Harpotoo
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I’m realistic, sure, Obamacare is unconstitutional; the Dems passed it in the middle of the night, read to find out what’s in it, they got Obama to sign it. It’s an entitlement. It is going to be hard to get the votes to fully repeal it.


34 posted on 06/29/2017 10:56:51 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Trump; most pro-life president ever.)
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Before I reply, I’m going to research it.


38 posted on 06/29/2017 11:15:17 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is DEPLORABLE :-))
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Long, and I’ll have to read it more at length, but it sounds like it might be a way through the impasse.


46 posted on 06/29/2017 12:03:42 PM PDT by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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the requirement that health plans cover every American regardless of health status and the prohibition on charging sick people more than healthy people — are overwhelmingly popular.

I question this premise. It seems to be based upon a Kaiser poll. Polls said President Hillary wouldn't have to repeal Obamacare.

50 posted on 06/29/2017 12:49:47 PM PDT by Defiant (The media is the colostomy bag where truth goes after democrats digest it.)
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My daughter who has worked in the health care industry as a pharmacist (PharmD) recently moved to Merida, Mexico for retirement due to the low cost of living. She recently had an outpatient colonoscopy performed by a board certified gastroenterologist, with propofol anesthesia monitored by an anesthesiologist (not nurse anesthetist) and had removal of a benign polyp which was read by a certified pathologist. Her total cash price (no insurance) was $500.00 USD. She was impressed by the competence, compassion, and professionalism in this modern clinic, not to mention the fact that she got an appointment within a week of calling.


53 posted on 06/29/2017 1:18:25 PM PDT by SC DOC
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but I’m told this is the main conservative ask on the health care bill right now. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is working hard to find a compromise by the end of the week, after the embarrassment of postponing a vote on the legislation until after July 4. <<<

Almost had to stop reading there!.....(you know...name your inside sources /connection and prove your worth ) as the Gate keeper of (”Blog Pimps” which i respect BTW).....

But I'm gonna just gonna read on because it's your Vanity....I'm sure I'll have comment at the end........

My thought at this point is....Turtle?? Turtle McConnel???..Your Hero now??.. GB!

70 posted on 06/29/2017 7:07:49 PM PDT by M-cubed
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