Posted on 02/24/2013 9:28:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
1. The Electorate
The Republicans may as well stop their soul-searching and look at the reality of the Democrat electorate. In addition to those Republican voters who stayed home on Election Day, the hard-core (so-called) progressives, the inadequate Republican ground game, and those who pay little or no federal tax and are happy to elect those who promise to take larger sums from those who DO pay, there's a more profound and possibly intractable problem. From my countless discussions with Democrats/liberals, it seems clear that many, many voters - we will never be sure of their numbers - neither hear, nor are interested in hearing, the stance of conservatives or Republicans. I'm often incredulous at the self-satisfied political ignorance and gullibility of successful, otherwise high-functioning and intellectually curious Democrats. The range and depth of their ignorance regarding easily ascertainable facts is astounding ("No, President Obama has NOT increased the deficit: that's a lie! For your information, President Obama has spent less than any President in history!"); and many, in my experience, cite the New York Times as their irrefutable source of information, with phrases like: "The Times didn't mention it so it can't be true or relevant...."
For these people, it really doesn't matter what conservatives or Republicans think or say: they won't hear it! Republican positions are totally lost - unheard and meaningless - to a growing number of the electorate, including huge swaths of highly-educated and effective leaders in society. It would be understating the issue to note that the Republican/conservative "brand" has been sullied - but it begins to convey the nature of the problem: it's more accurate to say that the Republican/conservative brand has been effectively nullified for many people. For a growing number of voters, it doesn't matter what Republicans say...
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Politics by other means at some point
Unless Americans are willing to live with socialism and a tyranny of white liberals and grevious minorities.....mostly negative tax contributors
I do not see any point to your third rail of becoming more like the leftist minorities in order to remain relevant
In the short term the white vote is easiest to mine with a strong candidate
We may never know since we haven’t had one in 29 years
You got that right. Democrats do not turn on other democrats.
Republicans have ongoing infighting.
Socons hate fiscons.
Neocons hate socons.
Fiscons hate neocons.
Moderates hate conservatives.
Conservatives hate RINO’s.
Republicans deserve Barack Hussein Obama. Next will be 8 years of Hillary or some other high taxing, big spending democrat who will push for gays & lesbians on SCOTUS. We
deserve what we are getting.
the slackers, stoners, prevs, pedos, and derelicts in society are all voting dem
the teachers union insured they have no future. they must get govt assistance. if you’re voting against govt assistance, you lose their vote.
done
The Republican Candidate is the ONLY reason we lost. Keep picking losers like Romney and we will continue to lose. That is the one and only reason.
I agree that to be a national party the Republicans need to address issues that are reflective of changes in the electorate. That said, I also strongly feel that the Democrat base reflects a fair amount of racism, and you can't fix that by ‘addressing the issues’. A long-term strategy will require exactly what the Democrats did to Republicans: Paint them as extreme out of touch self-interested ideologues, create tension among factions within their voting block, and pick out the most extreme elements of their coalition and use them as the poster children for the Democratic party.
The long-term strategy also has to have a decades long component that targets the media and education system.
When you let DEMOCRATS/COMMUNISTS select your candidate thru the ‘open primary’ process; you lose.
We’ve passed the Mendoza line. This situation cannot be rectified until it first fails utterly and the pieces need to be picked up and reworked. The matter will continue to worsen until the money’s no good, the freight doesn’t move and hungry people are rioting. America is over and don’t give me that sunny day crap about winning over people to our position; you’re trying to talk Girl Scout values to crack whores. The American electorate is addicted to government cheese and won’t be talked out if it. Any electorate that thinks it’s axiomatic that health care is a right will never vote for someone who disagrees with them. When Rome fell the Romans had to read about it later. The US has already fallen and they’ll date the fall to 2008 or thereabouts, IMHO.
The left knows the rioting is coming; that’s why they want your guns. A group that murders hundreds of thousands of unborn every year doesn’t give a rats ass about 20 kids in Connecticut.
email received this a.m. ???dated 2099??
This general explains it all.
FRIENDS….THIS CAME FROM THE TOP……..PLEASE WATCH……
I’m not big on conspiracy theories but much of what this General says has happened.
Lt Gen Boykin was the commander of “Delta Force” and later commander of the US Army Special Operations Command. He is a true American hero.
A Bone Chilling video— PASS IT ON BEFORE IT IS BLOCKED
http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-
america
It is happening...The republicans are backing off the sequester issue days before it is to come into effect, right after a nice week long vacation for all of them...
That’s a win/win for the administration and the democrats...So I don’t know what else you would expect to see here...
Abortion, still legal...Yep...You do know that all the conservatives are wanting to do is turn back Roe v. Wade and allow the “states” to determine the practice legal/or to be funded by state funds if they so choose...
I don’t see the Supreme Court doing anything to upset the apple cart...Its been that way for a very long time, and even when it does opinion in our favor, it is always with some sort of moderate, face-saving clause that really negates the effectiveness of the ruling...Just my opinion...
Fiscal responsibility: again, the republicans fail to assert conservative principles because in a sense the republican party leadership and elected class are really moderates only interested in maintaining their positions of power, this is indicative of their lack of respect for conservative grassroots movements (i.e.: Tea Party)...
No one is going to do ANYTHING to reverse GCA or the NFA, that is a political third rail for anyone...And that is on them...The best thing about the whole gun control push after this last December...We still have our guns, and it is very unlikely we will give them up whn and if it is called for...I’m sure as hell not going to give them up, and I believe many folks I know will do the same...The government is not prepared for this resistance, regardless of the stories of massive ammunition purchases, I still like our numbers...
I have never illuded to nor do I believe the republican party IS ever going to get its act together...I was only stating what they should do, knowing that the leadership I know are not interested in allowing those of us who are inside the party to upset their little, feckless agendas...
Sometimes you still have to do things from the inside, and keep pounding that message till the cows come home...They are hedging their bets, on both sides of the political spectrum that we will not...
I would think it would be neat to prove them wrong, right???
Unless you have a third party thing some of us don’t know about...It’s got to be effective out of the gate, and for now, there is not a lot out there to abandon ship too...
Not that I wouldn’t...
I have a liberal/democRAT/marxist/socialist (sorry to be redundant) acquaintance say exactly that. So I said, let's go to the computer, and treasury.gov. She refused to even look at the data.
Besides the media, and the dnc, our schools are complicit in the spreading of this type propaganda.
5.56mm
The left knows the rioting is coming; that’s why they want your guns. A group that murders hundreds of thousands of unborn every year doesn’t give a rats ass about 20 kids in Connecticut.
Exactly right and worthy of reposting.
You’re thirty too? Same deal. I got castigated for not voting for Romney. Don’t see the point in voting for RINOs. Cruz, on the other hand is excellent.
We also have a bunch of loud, abusive Rino bullies who blame others every time one of their candidates blows an election.
Same here; I voted for Gary Johnson, one of my home-state's former governors because I knew he'd do a good job. (Did such a good job he left the state w/ a budget surplus, and got re-elected while the state was solidly democrat.)
Don’t see the point in voting for RINOs.
Me either, though these days I'm tempted to think that the RINOs are the real party and the general voting population are merely their vote-sheep to be sheared at their pleasure.
This is true.
If I had the capital/manpower/political-clout I'd found "The American Ammo Party" -- partly to get a knee-jerk reaction from the political elite & news -- which would have two goals [and a sunset clause] for its platform: (1) repeal of ALL gun restricting laws, and (2) restoration of the legalization/illegalization of abortion to the states. [The first would necessarily cause a shift to more personal responsibility in the general population, the second would be entail a return to federalism from our current national leanings; the sunset clause would let the party dissolve after (a) it accomplished its goals or (2) was locked in a never ending battle.]
As an added incentive to joining I'd have "manufacture your own full-auto" parties on a standardized platform [kinda the next step to that open-source firearm project for 3D printers] because the ATF cannot regulate (ostensibly through taxes) manufacture of weapons that are never sold.
2010? Off year elections. Nobody voted: chech the numbers. 90 million voted in 2010. In 2012 it was 129 million. 2008 was 131 million. For reference in 2006 96 million voted. Smaller elections can induce a wave. Can the republicans make in roads in 2014? Sure. Can they win in 2016? Doubtfull without the Dems stepping on themselves via scandal or some other nonsense. Again, all about demographics. Demographics have moved significantly. 2008 to 2012 shows minorities picking up close to 2% of the electorate. 2% of 130 million? That is right 2.6. In certain states obviously much higher percentage. Look at CA? Reagan won twice Bush won in 88. Since then and one of the propositions that was seen as racsist the Republican Party has ceased to exist there. The presidential race is no contest.
I have read the Dems want to make 2014 all about min wage. This is a bad fight politically. Funny thing about elections though is the electorate decides what it is about. In 2010 the Tea party emerged and captured the midterms. Looking at polling I have a hard time believing that wave will happen again.
There have been a lot of complaints here about the president being in perpetual campaign mode. I find it smart. He stopped after 2008 and got killed in 2010. I do not think you will see a 90 million turnout in 2014.
The underlying assumption that leadership of the Republican Party is immune to “group-think” is wrong. They are not. They are willing participants, and as much as any other group have their hands over their ears to avoid hearing anything contrary to their world view.
I believe you have defined it.
Every year approx 2.5 million (mostly white, mostly 65% R voting) people die, and are replaced by (mostly minority, mostly “progressive” educated, 70% D voters).
The average 20-something knows far more about “global warming” than the US Constitution.
There is one small potential for improvement though.
A wise FReeper (can’t remember the name) mentioned that Dems may have declared victory and don’t even consider the opposition worthy of a contest anymore.
Which leads them to start infighting (Stalin’s purges)
(Feds prosecute “Chicago’s own” JJJr, NYT writes story ripping Elon Musk electric wondercar, CBS questions Baraq’s lack of press access, etc).
Only time will tell...
There is one small potential for improvement though.
A wise FReeper (can’t remember the name) mentioned that Dems may have declared victory and don’t even consider the opposition worthy of a contest anymore.
Which leads them to start infighting (Stalin’s purges)
(Feds prosecute “Chicago’s own” JJJr, NYT writes story ripping Elon Musk electric wondercar, CBS questions Baraq’s lack of press access, etc).
Only time will tell...
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