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Smart Case, July 28, 2002
07/28/02 | Jolly Green

Posted on 07/27/2002 10:00:40 PM PDT by Jolly Green

Time Line
06/05/01 Tuesday Ricci steals items from the Smart home while he is employed there as a handyman. Ricci is charged in July of 2002 of 1 count of theft related to the Smart incident.
05/30/02 Thursday ~ Ricci returns to pick up his Jeep at the auto repair shop before the shop has a chance to fully fix it He tells the repairman that it needed for an emergency.
06/04/02 Tuesday ~ Ricci is at work from about 9am to 5:30pm
~ Ricci claims he spends the evening with friends
06/05/02 Wednesday ~ 1:05am - 2 cars are spotted on the SLC Shriner's Hospital Parking Lot by a hospital security guard, two blocks from the Smart residence
~ 1:30am (approx) - Elizabeth is kidnapped from her home
~ 1:30am - Ricci claims to be in bed asleep with his with wife.
~ Ricci is scheduled to be off work all day today.
~ 7:21am - Rachel/Amber alert is issued and national media is involved.
~ 8:30am - Ricci and his neighbor talk about the kidnapping of Elizabeth, Ricci seems to know too much information about it.
~ Sometime during this day Ricci is visited by police in regards to Elizabeth's kidnapping as reported by Angela Ricci (Richard A. Ricci's Wife which is an ex-convict herself)
~ Ricci is seen by his neighbor digging a hole by his (Ricci's) trailer early in the morning. (heard the neighbor say this on TV)
06/06/02 Thursday ~ Ricci is scheduled to work from 9am to 5:30pm today, but instead works from 10:30am to 7:00pm
~ Police talk to Ricci this day about the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. (The media is reporting this, so it could be wrong)
06/08/02 Saturday ~ Ricci returns the Jeep to the repair shop to get it fixed. The Jeep is muddy and the repair shop owner sees Ricci remove seat covers from the back of the jeep and place them into a plastic garbage bag that already contains other stuff in it. Also the repair shop owner said a muddy post hole digger was in the back of the Jeep, Ricci removes this also. Ricci has a man waiting across the street to give him a ride. Ricci takes the plastic bag and contents along with the post hole digger with him. Also there is 500 to 1000 extra miles on the Jeep since Ricci picked it up on May 30th, 2002.
06/14/02 Friday ~ Ricci is taken into custody for a parole violation, this being drinking while on parole and association with other ex-cons.
07/11/02 Thursday Formal charges are filed against Ricci (2 counts of theft & 1 count of burglary) on the theft & burglary of the Smart neighbors home which occurred in April 2001, and 1 more count of theft for stealing from the Smart home on June 6th, 2001.
Special thanks to Brigette for starting this timeline.


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To: Sherlock
Is there a white muddy swampy area within 500 miles of SL?
61 posted on 07/28/2002 7:46:38 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: sandude
Yes, it would explain those statements. Her mother, in particular, would know what Elizabeth's "necessities" were.
62 posted on 07/28/2002 7:50:30 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Neenah
Name me something I stated that we haven't been told countless times.

I named about twenty of them and you only refuted one by rewording it.

63 posted on 07/28/2002 7:50:37 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Bella
I think they're watching the family in action to decide whether they honestly don't know, or, are sincere, and I think they're watching to see how long before this person screws up and falls to his knees. Don't forget the family has been doing things without the cops knowledge, and the family has been saying they're innocent,etc..remember the interview when Tom said they have "issues" etc. they've ripped their family apart. Also, Tom's loose lips, out of context lines, cost him a few missed sessions on tv, bet the family wasn't happy. Plus, it's clear as ever, as many of us agree, that Lois' body language when near her hubby, also says something..I watched online an interview Ed and Lois were sitting next to each other, Ed had his arm around the back of Lois' chair, not around her...I found that interesting. What supposed kidnapping have you ever seen a family act like this one?

You should have been a shrink rather than an attorney. If you had been formally trained in that discipline, maybe your psycho babble would be convincing. Ed Smart putting his arm on the back of a chair instead of around Lois means something? Ya, it probably means that the chair she was sitting on wasn't conducive to the latter. Any guy can tell you that.

64 posted on 07/28/2002 7:57:31 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
You made your point, Jolly. I stand by what I posted.
65 posted on 07/28/2002 7:59:25 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: lakey
Maybe the man had waited around so long, he needed to relieve himself.

Why would he take her in the bathroom, to see him p?? Doubt it. He could've went to the bathroom outside or in the house before he took her since they were all sleeping like logs.

66 posted on 07/28/2002 8:00:28 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Vinomori
I think your analysis makes the most sense thus far. Tell me what your opinion is, Why is the solving of this case taking so long?

I believe it was because the perps planned the kidnapping very well and went to extreme measures to hide evidence i.e. the newspapers all over the floor in the Jeep. Ricci did not want to go back to the slammer.

67 posted on 07/28/2002 8:00:32 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Neenah
That is the whole crux of my post...THE TIMELINE. If he had to do ALLLLL of that between about 2 and 6:00 a.m. he would have alot to do !

And your timeline was full of holes.

68 posted on 07/28/2002 8:01:54 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Bella
That's not all I said, Bella.
69 posted on 07/28/2002 8:02:32 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Jolly Green
No it's not. *wink*
70 posted on 07/28/2002 8:03:10 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: lakey
IF Elizabeth's abductor took her into the bathroom

If I remember correctly, the ONLY source of this info was the Globe. I wouldn't bet the farm on its accuracy.

71 posted on 07/28/2002 8:05:27 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
Ya, it probably means that the chair she was sitting on wasn't conducive to the latter. Any guy can tell you that.

For someone who's supposed to be so upset that his daughter is missing, I find him as a cold fish to his wife. Why isn't he comforting her? And, if you're right about the chair, his arm on the back of the chair appears to be that he is so relaxed and hasn't a care in the world.

BTW, what info did you receive from your cop friends at the SLCPD regarding this case since you try to portray that you know it all and everyone else is wrong?

72 posted on 07/28/2002 8:08:15 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Jolly Green
I believe it was because the perps planned the kidnapping very well and went to extreme measures to hide evidence i.e. the newspapers all over the floor in the Jeep. Ricci did not want to go back to the slammer.

But now he's back in the slammer. How do you predict this will play out?
73 posted on 07/28/2002 8:08:32 PM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Jolly Green
If I remember correctly, the ONLY source of this info was the Globe. I wouldn't bet the farm on its accuracy.

You better take that back because you're going to lose the farm..this SAME question was discussed before and the article where it was stated was posted.

74 posted on 07/28/2002 8:09:32 PM PDT by Bella
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To: freedox
"Mary Katherine gave a description that led the authorities to Richard Albert Ricci......."

This is the first I've heard of this. I wonder if it's factual or just bad journalism.

Hold the phones, this is the first I've heard of Mary Katherine giving police a description of Ricci. You're right, free, is it more info or just bad reporting???

75 posted on 07/28/2002 8:42:45 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: FR_addict
It's not a Mormon thing not to have phones in the bedrooms, we didn't have them in the bedrooms when I was growing up because there wasn't money. My sisters' kids don't have phones in their bedrooms because they have a hard enough time getting family time together, and the kids just disappear totally when they have phones in their rooms.
76 posted on 07/28/2002 8:45:12 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Neenah
Real nice, Sherlock.

;-}

77 posted on 07/28/2002 8:59:57 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: dalebert
Is there a white muddy swampy area within 500 miles of SL?

I'm not familiar with Utah. Actually it couldn't really be swampy because apparently he was driving around in it. I wonder if it was raining in Utah around Jun 7-8.

78 posted on 07/28/2002 9:06:38 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Utah Girl
Hold the phones, this is the first I've heard of Mary Katherine giving police a description of Ricci. You're right, free, is it more info or just bad reporting???

The revised description of the kidnapper 2 weeks into the case, given at the same time as the revised quote of the kidnapper by the way spoken to Elizabeth instead of MK, is a description of Ricci's attire because it came from clothing taken by the police in searches of Ricci and his in-laws trailors and shacks. Why did police decide to change the description of the kidnapper's attire from the kidnapper's attire to Ricci's attire? I have no idea, but it revolves around LE's paranoia of releasing any information to the public that will point to the actual kidnapper. Why are they hiding him? Why won't police tell Ed Smart who the kidnapper is and why they're hiding him? Why are police advertising they're not going to make an arrest as long as Elizabeth or her body don't show up? You tell me.

79 posted on 07/28/2002 9:26:59 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Bella
BTW, what info did you receive from your cop friends at the SLCPD regarding this case since you try to portray that you know it all and everyone else is wrong?

I haven't recieved much of value. The detectives are keeping the critical information very close to the vest. Information I have recieved has been shared previously. In spite of what you and a few others on these threads would have us believe, there are KNOWN facts in the case. They have been revealed in the media at press conferences and interviews with key witnesses. Some of the statements by the police and others are often mis-quoted here and elsewhere and sadly they are believed and assumed to be correct, leading to totally different conclusions.

A prime example is the oft quoted "trusted member of the community". A little digging not only proved that the officer never said "trusted member of the communithy", but what he did say substantially broadened the entire context to include Ricci and others.

Another example comes from a statement I made the other day about Smart not hiring Ricci back after the theft. Brigette was confident that I was mistaken and produced several links that could be interpreted that way. I was just as adamant that I had heard or read a Smart statement saying he wasn't rehired. Fortunately, Sherlock found the quote.

No, I'm not always right, but I'm a very detail oriented person. You and and a few others seem to be more in the touchy-feely aspects rather than cold hard facts. All of your cheap shots at Ed Smart miss one very important fact. He passed his polygraph, so it doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether you or anyone else likes his body language.

80 posted on 07/28/2002 9:27:01 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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