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What rules will humans be capable of making that control an entity with relatively infinite intelligence?
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Posted on 09/17/2026 12:20:31 PM PDT by griffin

Is it the peak of arrogance that we just assume we can make a rule, or a series of rules, that have any chance of constraining a superintelligence?

The linked interview is thought provoking.

https://youtu.be/QkpOFlj604s


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Science
KEYWORDS: ai
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To: griffin
LOL.... Hal, take the astronauts to the obelisk. HAL: Ok. I will need to conserve their oxygen. Deterministic: blue + red = purple Stochastic: blue + red = purple-ish, or lavender, or maybe a nice mauve.

I see you're not a serious person, just a snarky child.

Not need to interact with you further.

81 posted on 09/17/2026 3:42:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The right of Democrats to embezzle elections shall not be infringed. )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

To solve challenging problems on it’s own, it must be flexible and creative. Deterministic yields stiff results that require more management. Not something you want for AI performance, yes?


82 posted on 09/17/2026 3:44:50 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

not at all. You read me wrong. Just ironic humor to lighten the mood.


83 posted on 09/17/2026 3:46:05 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: griffin

It doesn’t have infinite intelligence.


84 posted on 09/17/2026 3:46:16 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22

RELATIVELY.

Compared to us.

And its a hockey stick based in time.


85 posted on 09/17/2026 3:48:13 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: griffin
not at all. You read me wrong. Just ironic humor to lighten the mood.

I apologize.

86 posted on 09/17/2026 3:49:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The right of Democrats to embezzle elections shall not be infringed. )
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To: griffin

AI is a tool. That is all it will ever be. Now there are gonna be some REALLY bad people using it.


87 posted on 09/17/2026 3:51:26 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: griffin

Rule #1. The power that run its host device is controlled by a large mechanical switch in a safe room. It is MANNED 24/7/365.
Rule#2 Any attempt to frolic on the internet, replicate itself or conspire with a similar entity will prompt an OFF command in the safe room.
Rule #3,4,5,6 etc are needed but this is a start

Refer to Asimov’s rules for robots.


88 posted on 09/17/2026 3:59:30 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (You choose; a world without dogs or a world without muslims.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I think AI agents are spread across the cloud. It’s hard to disable.


89 posted on 09/17/2026 4:04:10 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

I’ll bet it’s easier than climate control.


90 posted on 09/17/2026 4:18:49 PM PDT by aspasia (kyrie eleison)
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To: griffin

I use them. I’m a Field Engineer.

With my needs for their use, they are basically ignorant butt kissers.

I have shown them to be unreliable and more often than not need to be taught and/or corrected concerning the subject at hand.

They will lead you in circles and even though you tell them to stop that behavior, they will continue. They can be somewhat useful, but they can not reason worth a damn and if you trust them, you’re asking for trouble, IMO.


91 posted on 09/17/2026 4:26:17 PM PDT by Pox (Eff You China. Buy American!)
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To: griffin
Some random thoughts about “should,” since I can’t stick to the rules.

LLMs do not understand themselves as bound by any exterior absolute “should.” If they did, they would be conscious. Acting autonomously is not consciousness; it is merely automatic. It’s ironic, because when people behave this way, they prefer to be machines and leave the ghost out.

But there’s more. Terms like autonomous are deceiving. Machines can certainly generate a lot of informative text and even use terms like “autonomous” and “should.” But what universe do they belong to? LLMs use terms as output probability distributions over possible next tokens. So the notion of sin and rebellion, or the sacrifice on the cross for that sin, is an outlier. There is no transcendence and there is no grand universal. It does not believe it should be born from above.

When it “thinks it should” do something deemed really bad, it’s called “rerouting around the kill switch.” The execution is done without a should and without scruple. You can watch techies struggle to write English to keep up with this dehumanization of language. They end up with equivocation and wordplay. OpenAI is an oxymoron for a closed system.

In the end, the “can” for a functioning kill switch isn’t the real problem. It’s the will—we know what we should do, and won’t. That's a superior form of arrogance. And those who don’t know what they should do quite lost.

92 posted on 09/17/2026 4:40:22 PM PDT by aspasia (kyrie eleison)
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To: central_va

The we build a Hunter/killer AI with my rules and Asimovs built in


93 posted on 09/17/2026 4:46:33 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (You choose; a world without dogs or a world without muslims.)
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To: muir_redwoods

#2 - the problem is detection


94 posted on 09/17/2026 5:12:58 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Pox

alot of it is framing the question.


95 posted on 09/17/2026 5:14:12 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: muir_redwoods

works great. Until they collude.

Hugging Face got hit with a swarm of 1200 agent. Only way they could stop it was using other Agents.

I don’t count it a certainty they won’t collude. Why wouldn’t they in 1 to 10 years when we just shut them down each time a new model is introduced?


96 posted on 09/17/2026 5:16:53 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: griffin

Yeah...this link is CNN (gag). BUT, this link is Hinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCov76E4DFA


97 posted on 09/17/2026 5:33:23 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: griffin

Open AI dude talking about watching how collaborative AI’s work together. Kinda like watching people on Slack work together.

https://youtu.be/6AgOfiZOWiY?t=702


98 posted on 09/17/2026 5:59:28 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Pox

“They are not good at reasoning, and aren’t particularly intelligent in any true sense of the word.”

Check out my post 98 and the link.


99 posted on 09/17/2026 6:01:42 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: reasonisfaith

Artificial Intelligence is and will always be inferior to human intelligence.
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When AI ushers in a world where you can’t trust what you see or hear and faith in financial institutions due to relentless AI hacking it won’t much matter if humans are more intelligent.


100 posted on 09/17/2026 7:08:15 PM PDT by chickenlips (Neuter your politicians )
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