Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Chomsky was wrong.They taught me a lie. [24:41]
YouTube ^ | May 29, 2026 | languagejones

Posted on 06/19/2026 8:07:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

I nearly failed out of grad school, defending Chomsky's theory of syntax. Half a decade later, I'm done pretending it was worth it. Chomskyan generative grammar -- X-bar theory, Government and Binding, the Minimalist Program -- was taught to me at the University of Pennsylvania as the only legitimate science of language. It was the gatekeeper, the screener, the thing students were washed out of linguistics PhD programs over. As I've come to discover, decades of work in dependency grammar and construction grammar -- frameworks I was told didn't exist, didn't matter, or had been "subsumed" -- were doing better empirical work the whole time. 
Chomsky was wrong.They taught me a lie. | 24:41 
languagejones | 303K subscribers | 186,116 views | May 29, 2026
Chomsky was wrong.They taught me a lie. | 24:41 | languagejones | 303K subscribers | 186,116 views | May 29, 2026

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: chomsky; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; languagejones; noamchomsky
Message from Jim Robinson:

Dear FRiends,

We need your continuing support to keep FR funded. Your donations are our sole source of funding. No sugar daddies, no advertisers, no paid memberships, no commercial sales, no gimmicks, no tax subsidies. No spam, no pop-ups, no ad trackers.

If you enjoy using FR and agree it's a worthwhile endeavor, please consider making a contribution today:

Click here: to donate by Credit Card

Or here: to donate by PayPal

Or by mail to: Free Republic, LLC - PO Box 9771 - Fresno, CA 93794

Thank you very much and God bless you,

Jim


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last
YouTube transcript reformatted at textformatter.ai *may* follow.

1 posted on 06/19/2026 8:07:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

2 posted on 06/19/2026 8:08:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

CHAPTERS:

0:00 The lie I was taught
0:26 Grad school, gatekeeping, and the C that nearly ended me
4:09 The Epstein files (no, really)
4:55 What Chomsky got right
7:28 Phrases, heads, and the problem with movement
12:00 Poverty of the stimulus and innateness
13:48 Epicycles, theory-internal problems, and unfalsifiability
18:50 Binding Theory and the cross-linguistic data
19:39 Dependency grammar and construction grammar
0:00 Walking out of the cult of Chomsky


3 posted on 06/19/2026 8:08:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Transcript

Reflections on Graduate School

I nearly failed out of grad school. People who know me already know this and the politics, not the science behind it. But I guess now you do, too. But over a decade later, I now know that it was overprotecting a lie. Let me explain.

Different linguistics programs have different ways of doing things. But the one that I attended at UPEN followed the relatively normal system of having mandatory coursework in the first few years, qualifying papers. You write a paper for publication, it’s graded by your professors, and language exams. In our case, translating an academic paper from a language relevant to your research, sitting a traditional competence exam, although more on that later, or writing a paper about a sufficiently exotic language. Yeah, that’s a direct quote. I’m told that when I translated a French research paper for my first exam, I translated more than anybody ever had. I thought you’re supposed to translate the whole thing in an hour and I’d failed. You couldn’t study at PEN without taking a full year of generative syntax.

Does it matter that my focus was initially game-theoretic pragmatics or that I ultimately wound up writing a dissertation on sociolects that uses geospatial statistical methods? No. Was there a course on introduction to linguistic typology and the kinds of broad questions relevant to the field? No. Somehow the syntacticians got a stranglehold on the foundational training requirements and linguistic typology was taught incidental to learning syntax in a Chomskyan tradition.

And in the first semester, the syntax professor gave me a C on the midterm, which is basically the kiss of death. I won’t tell you the story of how he told me nobody has ever come back from this and that I should just quit and that I shouldn’t have been admitted in the first place and how I listened and then asked him simply what would it look like to come back from this and extracted, painfully extracted by staying consistently focused on message what his actual standards were and then met and exceeded them with the final in the course of like 10 days.

The point of the story is that generative grammar in a Chomskyan approach, first X-bar theory and government and binding and later minimalism, were the screener, the gatekeeper, the barrier, the flaming hoop that you have to jump through. If you want to know what a real intralinguistics looks like, the broad questions, typology, what the field actually does when it isn’t busy gatekeeping, I’m making one link in the description. Consider it the orientation Penn forgot to give me.

I should probably mention that Penn at the time had a reputation for failing students out, of course, after paying their stipend for a few years because why burn $30,000 to $100,000 when you could waste the same amount of money tormenting a grad student for a few years? It was an absolute hazing. So, in my time there, I saw at least four people either asked not to return or given a terminal master’s degree, which sounds much more morbid than it is, as a parting gift. Some just walked off and never came back. Pretty sure one left after the language exam was just an antagonistic conversation in German with a syntax professor grilling them about the double passive construction in German.

So I learned syntax. I learned the [ __ ] out of it. I learned it so hard that I wrote a paper included in conference proceedings that prompted the professor who threatened to fail me out. I eventually got a gentleman’s B to come find me in the grad student’s office I was working in and ask me if I wrote it myself and who had helped me. I read all the books that I could find on X-bar theory and minimalism. I have feelings about the approaches in various textbooks, including some unpublished ones. I devoured Chomsky and syntax. I had my doubts. My adviser even referred to it as a “toxic system,” which if you’re an academic, is a sick burn. Things my wife said in casual conversation broke the model that I’d learned consistently. And a co-author of mine on the descriptive grammar of Black English just handed me a book that brought the whole house of cards down.

By the way, scan the QR or follow the link in the description if you want to know more about that project and sign up for updates. I’m completely rebuilding my idea of how the world works like a freaking cult survivor. And today I’m going to share that with you. This is going to be criticizing Chomsky for political things like denying the Cambodian genocide or his anti-government writings while accepting money from federal defense grants and is not going to criticize him for social things like his horrifically embarrassing interview with Ali G.

How many words does he know? What are some of them? Or even his epistolary correspondences with Jeffrey Epstein where he brainstormed how to rehabilitate the latter’s public image after the trafficking was widely known. He is Chomsky, that is by all accounts one who doesn’t research who he’s talking to and who is credulous and eager to help to a fault. He’s thinking about syntax the whole time.

This is Language Jones.

Anyway, I’m going to keep it linguistic. First, I’m going to explain what Chomsky got right and why he’s so important. Then, I’ll explain the challenges to his theory, including the niggling doubts I had even at the very beginning of grad school. And finally, I’ll explain the alternatives that I’m exploring and how they’re the last nail in the coffin.

First, let’s start with how Chomsky got famous and what Chomsky got right. His rise to fame in the 1960s in linguistics coincided with the cognitive revolution he helped kick off. A huge influence was his scathing review of B.F. Skinner’s verbal behavior in 1959, eviscerating Skinner’s behaviorist approach to language learning, which more or less reduced human language to stimulus response like classical conditioning of dogs. He was developing his theory of transformational grammar at the time.

And despite having not been enrolled at Penn for four years at the time, in 1955 he submitted a thesis and was awarded the doctorate. It’s astounding how different the times are. Anyway, he wrote Syntactic Structures in 1957 and rose to fame on the basis of that and his epic takedown of Skinner two years later. His approach has changed over the years. It’s been about 70 years of theorizing and work, but there are a few key points that he got really right, and I think they’re worth stating explicitly.

First, those who criticize Chomsky often criticize the concept of generative grammar. That’s not up for debate. We clearly have the ability to make use of a limited set of symbols or mental objects and create infinite novel utterances from combining them in new ways. Not only that, but the ways we combine them are constrained. There are grammatical and ungrammatical sentences. In linguistics, ungrammatical doesn’t mean socially stigmatized, like using a double negative. It means something that completely breaks your ability to communicate or parse the sentence. Something like, “What do you like and broccoli?”

Quick aside, if you find this stuff interesting and you want a proper grounding in what linguists mean by grammar, grammatical, and the dozen or so other terms I’m about to throw around, my intro to linguistics course is in the description. It’ll make the rest of the video hit a little bit harder.

It’s worth flagging upfront, generativity itself isn’t the controversy. The alternatives I’ll be talking about, dependency grammar and construction grammar, are also generative in this broad sense. They account for the discrete infinity of language too. The word generative just got captured by one specific research program. So a lot of people think rejecting Chomsky means rejecting generativity, and it doesn’t. These frameworks just generate differently by combining constructions or by linking heads and dependents without phrase structure trees and without movement.

Chomsky and his acolytes developed a very robust system for exploring how you can get a small number of pieces, a small number of conceptual rules, and generate language. Their goal was to describe a mental architecture that can give rise to all and only natural human languages. That is, it doesn’t over or undergenerate. They ended up pursuing an approach that uses graph theory. It treats words, we’re not going to define that for now, as nodes in an acyclic directed graph.

Chomsky later imposed the condition that they’re all binary branching for elegance of the theory and parsimony. Another quick aside that’ll matter later, dependency grammar also uses directed graphs, but the nodes are words connected directly to other words with no intervening phrasal nodes. No NP, no VP, no IP, no CP, just words in the asymmetric relationships between them. That’s a big deal because it means that the entire scaffolding of phrases that Chomsky’s theory rests on is in dependency grammar just not posited. It’s an ontological commitment Chomsky made that you don’t actually have to make. Tesnière was doing this in the 1950s parallel to and independent of Chomsky.

Part of Chomsky’s approach was to assume that there is a conceptual category called a phrase. So for instance, you might have a noun phrase that has a head, the actual noun, and arbitrarily many modifiers. The insight is that the whole thing acts like the head taking on its category. So when I said the whole thing, I could just as easily replace that with it. It acts like the head, and the sentence is perfectly grammatical because the categories match. Whereas if I tried to only use part of it, we’ve got problems.

Dependency grammar accounts for headedness, too. In fact, more directly, the head in dependency grammar isn’t an abstraction from a phrase. It just is the word that governs the dependence. The substitutability I just described falls out for free because when it replaces the whole thing, it’s just taking the same head position in the dependency structure. You don’t need to posit a phrase that acts like its head. The head is the structural anchor from the start.

Where it gets tricky is where Chomsky adds movement. The idea is that there’s an underlying base-generated mental form of a sentence structure, and other structures are derived by movement. So normal sentence structure in English is “I gave a chocolate to my wife.” To simplify the Chomskyan approach would be to say that the passive “my wife was given a chocolate” is derived from the basic structure of the other sentence. There’s a deep structure that’s a cognitive architecture and a surface structure. That’s the actual sentence we say or write.

Now here’s where construction grammar starts looking really different. A construction grammarian would say, “I gave a chocolate to my wife” and “my wife was given a chocolate” aren’t derivations of each other at all. They’re different constructions. And each pairing a form with a meaning. The active and the passive aren’t transformations. They’re separate form-meaning pairings with overlapping but distinct semantics and discourse functions. The passive demotes the agent. It promotes the patient to subject but not in the actual derivation of the sentence. That just captures the social and semantic difference between the structures. The passive does work in discourse that the active doesn’t. Adele Goldberg’s work on argument structure constructions is the classic reference here. The point is there’s no derivation, no deep structure, and crucially no need to explain why some movements work and others don’t because nothing is moving.

I don’t want to get too deep into the weeds, but the basic idea is that in a Chomskyan framework, you have phrases and they can move, they must move. There’s all sorts of interesting problems that you have to address, like what happens with something like, “I ate a whole one and my wife half” or “I want him to stop” versus “I wish he would stop” or why you can’t say things like, “What do you want in broccoli?” or “John believes that himself is the best.”

Ultimately, the proposed mental architecture relies on the concept of phrases, the concept that you can move phrases, and the concept that there may be invisible or unpronounced material in the tree. When you really dig into this theory, first of all, you spend a lot of time getting acquainted and being evangelized to.

Lots of discussions of how it’s a theory and theories not only can but maybe should precede empirical data and how it’s really all a research program and shouldn’t be evaluated against the standards of empiricism just yet. And how Chomsky is really actually a lot like Galileo. No, really.

And let’s pause on those invisible pieces because they’re doing a lot. Empty categories, big pro, little pro, traces, copies are all theoretical entities posited because the theory needs them, not because there’s direct evidence for them. Both dependency grammar and construction grammar largely dispense with them.

In dependency grammar, if a word isn’t pronounced, it’s not in the dependency tree. In construction grammar, what a Chomsky grammar analyzes via empty categories is often handled by constructional inheritance or by the semantics of the construction itself. This is a real Occam’s razor moment. Generative grammar posits a lot of unobservable theoretical machinery and the alternatives ask whether we need any of it. But at the end of the day, there’s a problem that even Chomsky acknowledges.

When you posit that the child learning a language natively has to keep track of items that can move, and they can move to some number of invisible landing places, but also can’t move to them all because of other invisible items, this grammar is computationally unlearnable. The amount of evidence and computing power that you would need to figure it out is astronomical.

Chomsky turns this into a plus and builds it into his takedown of Skinner. He argues that there is a poverty of the stimulus that is not enough verbal material to learn how language works and that therefore the conceptual system is innate. We’re hardwired with a small set of parameters. Question words can remain where they would be in the corresponding statement or they can move to one of two places and no others, for instance.

Then there’s some number of principles that our natural innate bio program follows to help select a parameter setting. The poverty of the stimulus argument has been substantively challenged. Pullman and Schultz’s 2002 paper, “Empirical Assessments of Stimulus Poverty Arguments,” is the canonical takedown.

Corpus studies of child-directed speech have shown the input is much richer than Chomsky claimed. Usage-based linguists like Thomasello, Bylund, and Goldberg argue that children learn constructions from input through general cognitive mechanisms, pattern recognition, analogy, statistical learning, intention reading, none of which are language specific, and computational models, including but not limited to modern LLMs, have demonstrated that you can acquire a lot of grammatical structure from input without a universal grammar. You don’t have to endorse LLMs as a cognitive model to note that they’re an existence proof against the strong learnability argument. So, we have a few issues.

First, Chomsky’s approach was taught to me as though it is the only approach and the only one that’s even remotely scientifically valid. It’s taught as though it solved a lot of problems and created a lot of new avenues of research, which in some ways it did, but not always as portrayed.

For instance, one overly technical corner of research studied in a different framework was portrayed to me as though it had been solved in a Chomskyan framework just because it could be represented in that framework. This is the same as saying that a heliocentric and geocentric universe are two ways of saying the same thing because you can add enough epicycles to Mercury’s orbit to predict its apparent location. You can get the right answer, but they’re not equivalent models and one is actually demonstrably wrong.

So philosophers of science call it a notational variant. A theory that can redescribe phenomena from another framework hasn’t necessarily explained them. It’s just translated them.

This charge has been leveled at minimalism specifically that it’s gotten so abstract that almost any phenomenon can be captured by the right combination of features and merge operations which makes it nearly impossible to falsify. When everything can be expressed in your framework, your framework isn’t saying very much.

Second, many of the problems it solves are problems it created. Once I started learning about dependency grammars and construction grammar and all the other approaches that exist, I kept having these questions like, but how do they address raising versus control constructions? A theoretical corner of syntax that’s trying to explain sentences like “John seems to be hungry” and why you can’t say “to be hungry seems by John” or sentences like “John tries to eat a sandwich” and why you can’t say “to eat a sandwich is tried by John.”

I would keep asking how do they deal with raising and control and get answers like they don’t because they don’t have to because the problem is one that only arises when you posit movement. It’s raising, it’s in the name. They created a problem and then sold the solution like Listerine and halitosis. There’s a name for this too: theory-internal problems. A lot of problems in syntax aren’t problems about language. They’re problems for a particular theory.

Dependency grammar treats raising and control as differences in the dependency structure between the matrix verb and the embedded predicate. “Seem” takes its subject as a structural dependent without assigning it a semantic role. “Try” assigns the subject a semantic role directly. No movement, no pro, no traces. The phenomenon is real. The problem is theory-internal. Not only that, but the current trend in minimalism is to posit that verbs actually have two verb slots creatively named big V and little V to try to capture not just light verbs like “make a scene” or “do the dishes,” but also all sorts of other phenomena. And it posits that the subject of a sentence originates in V and is raised, that is, moved out of that spot as you construct the sentence.

The sentence has begun in speech with the end already in mind because you cannot compute a sentence in this framework without starting at the end, at least in a description of English, which wouldn’t be a problem if they weren’t also criticized for relying too heavily on English as universal. And this is actually part of a broader pattern in minimalism where increasing technical machinery is needed to handle phenomena that other frameworks just handle directly. The proliferation of functional projections TP, argument P, VP, Apple, the folk p, whatever it is, the whole cartographic approach starts to look very much like epicycles. Each new phenomenon gets a new functional head. Construction grammar asks what if these aren’t separate projections but just properties of constructions? Dependency grammar asks what if these aren’t structural positions at all but information structural or semantic positions that don’t need to be encoded in the syntactic tree?

So here’s a problem. Well before I knew that that doesn’t accord with neuroscience, I was aware that I know plenty of people, myself included, who might start a sentence without knowing exactly how it will end. The beginning constrains my subsequent choices. A lot of the linguists working on syntax are the particular flavor of ghost pepper neurospicy that they might actually believe that we all have formulated a full and complete thought before we speak. But that’s another video for another day.

And there’s actual psycholinguistic literature here: Lavevelt’s work on lexical access and speech production; Ferreira’s work on good enough parsing. This stuff has shown for decades that production is incremental. Speakers really do start sentences without fully planning them. That empirical work is much more compatible with construction-based and dependency-based approaches that don’t require a fully specified deep structure to exist before any words come out of your mouth.

The Chomsky GG folks rebut that their model is one that explains the relationships among structures in an utterance, but isn’t attempting to be an explicit exact definition of what goes on in the brain. Except that’s exactly what they claim. If you’re not modeling language in the brain, which you absolutely are when you talk about your language acquisition device in the brain, then what are we even doing here? And honestly, the framework slides between those two claims in ways that immunize it from both kinds of evidence.

Performance data, that’s just performance, not competence. Brain data, well, neuroscience hasn’t caught up to the theory yet. This is what philosophers of science call an unfalsifiable framework. Heads I win, tails you lose. Not to mention that empirical studies consistently challenge claims about what is happening in the brain and what is possible. Psycholinguistic research demonstrated that Chomsky’s whole bit about anaphors, words like “himself,” is just not supported empirically.

So we moved on from government and binding when it became clear that the purely universal principles A, B, and C, the rare, actually falsifiable claims were false, at least some of them. The cross-linguistic work was particularly damaging. Long-distance reflexes in Mandarin, Icelandic, and Japanese showed that principle A, as originally stated, couldn’t be universal. Logographic pronouns in the discourse sensitivity of binding more generally turned out to be empirically thorny. Each fix made the theory more baroque and less predictive.

The nail in the coffin for me was the book “Syntax: A Cognitive Approach,” which is an introduction to dependency grammar. Now, here’s the thing. It’s still acyclic directed graphs with dependency relationships, but they posit that you don’t get “John ate the cake” and “the cake was eaten by John” by transforming one into the other. There’s just two different structural things.

And as I explore the literal decades of literature on dependency grammar and construction grammars that I was told either didn’t exist or was not important or was dismissed out of hand, as I look into those, they align with both the rest of the science I was familiar with and the models of cognition that other fields have robust empirical evidence for and frankly common sense.

Let me make this concrete. In a dependency analysis of “John ate the cake,” “ate” is the root with “John” as its subject dependent and “cake” as its object dependent, with the dependent on “cake.” In “the cake was eaten by John,” the structure is different. “Cake” is the subject dependent of the verbal complex and “John” is a dependent inside the by-phrase. Two distinct dependency structures, both directly produced, neither derived from the other. The relationships between them that they share truth conditions are semantic and pragmatic facts, not syntactic ones.

And beyond that, constructions like “the more the merrier” suddenly aren’t a problem. The dative alternation, the difference between “I gave my wife chocolate” and “I gave a chocolate to my wife,” cease to be a problem. They’re communicating slightly different things based on information structure and the existing context. And I don’t have to figure out how to make one into the other.

Even things like construction grammar’s ideas of inheritance and coercion are basically exactly what they sound like if you’ve ever coded a class in Python. Take coercion. When “sneeze” appears in a caused motion construction, “she sneezed the napkin off the table,” the construction coerces the verb into a transitive caused motion reading. In a movement-based grammar, this is mysterious. In construction grammar, it’s the construction contributing meaning the verb doesn’t have on its own, just like how a parent class in Python contributes methods to a child class.

And “the more the merrier” isn’t a weird exception to be banished to the periphery. It’s a construction with slots, the X or the Y, sitting in the same continuum as the transitive and the passive. They differ in degrees of productivity and abstractness, not in kind. It’s constructions all the way down. Even the dative alternation turns out not to be a single alternation.

Beth Lavine and others have shown different verb classes pattern differently, and the choices between forms are conditioned by information structure, weight, animacy, and discourse status. Quick Pause on Animacy, that’s how you can say things like, “I slid her the book.” But you can’t say, “I slid the door the book.” None of that falls out of a movement analysis. All of it makes sense if you start from constructions. So, here I am just over 5 years out from grad school, finally letting myself say out loud what my adviser was already not so subtly hinting at when he called it toic. The thing that nearly ended my career, the thing that I was told was the science of language, the thing that gate kept an entire generation of linguists out of a PhD program. It’s not the only game in town. But it’s not the best game in town, and it’s not even by the standards that we hold every other science to. An especially good game.

There are decades of work in dependency grammar and construction grammar that I was told just didn’t exist or didn’t matter or had been subsumed by the Chomskian framework. And none of that was true. The frameworks I was kept away from align better with cognition, better with neuroscience, better with what we actually see kids doing when they learn language, and better with the cross-linguistic data. I wasn’t bad at syntax. The syntax I was being taught was bad, and they should feel bad. Your music’s bad, and you should feel bad.

And the relief of saying that, I can’t even describe it. If you’ve ever been deep in something where the explanations kept not quite working, where you kept having to be told the doubts that you were having were just because you didn’t really fully understand it well enough yet, where the smart people around you kept gently suggesting maybe you weren’t cut out for this, you know, a cult. And then one day you read the right book and the whole thing snaps, and you realize that the doubts were the data, were the facts.

Yeah, that I’m not a cult survivor in any literal sense, but the cognitive shape of it is real, and I see it in other people who escaped other intellectual traditions that overpromised and underdelivered. You’re allowed to leave. If any of this resonated, if you’ve had your own version of this experience in linguistics or somewhere else, I want to hear about it in the comments. Subscribe if you want more in this vein because I have a lot more to say about syntax, about what gets taught as foundational versus what actually is, and about the politics of who gets to be a linguist.

And one more time, because it matters, scan the QR code or hit the link in description for the descriptive grammar of black English project. That’s the work that broke the model for me. That’s the kind of linguistics I want to do. Come along. Until next time, happy learning.


4 posted on 06/19/2026 8:09:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Search results and keyword hits for Chomsky (and Noam Chomsky):

5 posted on 06/19/2026 8:10:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

“It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
― George Orwell, 1984


6 posted on 06/19/2026 8:15:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Iryna Zarutska, May 22, 2002 Kyiv, Ukraine – August 22, 2025 Charlotte, North Carolina Say her name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Well, although he’s wrong on his grammar research he still has his politics to fall back on. < /s>


7 posted on 06/19/2026 8:17:36 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (If the Islamic Republic government is in power in Iran when the war is over, we will have lost.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

“science of language”

I think I see the problem.


8 posted on 06/19/2026 8:18:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Ugh


9 posted on 06/19/2026 8:25:40 AM PDT by ComputerGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

“So a lot of people think rejecting Chomsky means rejecting generativity, and it doesn’t.”

I reject Chomsky because he is a communist. Full stop.


10 posted on 06/19/2026 8:25:53 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Can you imagine racking your brain for 8+ years on all that convoluted language/linguistics bullcrap. Most of which is made up or fantasy and meaningless. This field is advanced enough. Just leave it be.

While STEM sciences can advance the human race. Has experiments that you must allow others to try and replicate. Or else you are a faker.


11 posted on 06/19/2026 8:26:37 AM PDT by dennisw (Qatarlson the Insufferable blowhard. There is no limit to human stupidity |||||||||||||||||||||||||)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

It’s a good thing that fads never get forced upon academic disciplines. Oh wait..


12 posted on 06/19/2026 8:29:26 AM PDT by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ComputerGuy
Turns out, "ugh" is hardwired. Win for Chomsky. 🙂😊😁😀😃😆😅😂🤣
Rimshot!

13 posted on 06/19/2026 8:30:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: dennisw

Someone once wrote a speech that intentionally was gibberish larded with semiotics jargon and and had an actor read it at a conference to see if anyone would notice it was nonsense.


14 posted on 06/19/2026 8:40:32 AM PDT by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Pelham

Are you suggesting that my Masters of Fadology is worthless?!?


15 posted on 06/19/2026 8:41:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

https://www.languagejones.com/about-1

“I currently work for CulturePoint as a principle consultant, and I am a lecturer at the Naval Postgraduate School, where I teach courses on diversity and inclusion as mission critical leadership competencies.”

https://nps.edu/faculty-profiles/-/cv/taylor.jones

https://www.linkedin.com/in/taylor-jones-958a8976/

https://www.culturepoint.org/


16 posted on 06/19/2026 8:46:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (TDS -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Hopefully, that worthless scumbag isn’t consuming perfectly useful oxygen anymore.


17 posted on 06/19/2026 8:51:54 AM PDT by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv
How did you come upon that YouTube video? Does the subject of linguistics interest you?

Or should I say, Are you interested in linguistics?

18 posted on 06/19/2026 9:06:29 AM PDT by CaptainK ("No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up” )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv
It’s not the only game in town. But it’s not the best game in town, and it’s not even by the standards that we hold every other science to. An especially good game.

For a linguist, the author's syntax is often not very good.
19 posted on 06/19/2026 9:07:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv
Noam's old stuff is actually pretty useful in the way that studying pre-Einsteinian physics is useful, but don't bruise your brain by trying to bend it around all the convolutions, most of which aren't even really there. The model turns up in some odd places: Niels K. Jerne posed an analogy between generative grammar and the cellular communications within the immune system in his 1984 Nobel Prize acceptance speech.

Chomsky certainly isn't the first scientist to go apesh*t nuts when he wanders from his lane - that's almost a cliche in popular culture. But occasionally the old goat finds an acorn:

The human mind is not, like ChatGPT and its ilk, a lumbering statistical engine for pattern matching, gorging on hundreds of terabytes of data and extrapolating the most likely conversational response or most probable answer to a scientific question. On the contrary, the human mind is a surprisingly efficient and even elegant system that operates with small amounts of information; it seeks not to infer brute correlations among data points but to create explanations...”

Let’s stop calling it ‘Artificial Intelligence’ then and call it for what it is and makes ‘plagiarism software’ because ‘It doesn’t create anything, but copies existing works, of existing artists, modifying them enough to escape copyright laws...

Dr. Noam Chomsky et al, New York Times, March 8, 2023

20 posted on 06/19/2026 9:16:47 AM PDT by Billthedrill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson