What if Sen. Kelly, et al. did NOT intend mutiny

Vanity | Nov 27 | Self, vanity

[Mashood]

F. Mark Kelly.

[stars & stripes forever]

WORDS mean something. People are responsible for what they say.

[Jamestown1630]

I think you’re being naive - if not thoroughly disingenuous.

[Berkeley under cover]

It’s good that the question was asked, so that we can discuss it. I’m on the sedition view, fyi.

[Reverend Wright]

Kelly means both.

That Trump is giving illegal, fascist orders, and unless the military disobeys, they are legitimate targets.

[Cincinnatus.45-70]

I’ve been called disingenuous before. Don’t know if it was thoroughly or not.

[asinclair]

If true, that would make the video a psy-op against the American people. In addition to, not instead of, sedition. Plans within plans, wheels within wheels, as Frank Herbert would have written.

[proust]

“that would make the video a psy-op against the American people.”

Legalized by obummer. For some reason that is still in place.

[rey]

Who was the target audience? It wasn’t generals and admirals. They are well educated in this regard and overall. Most officers are well educated in this matter and nearly all are college educated. I would say the same of senior enlisted.

That leaves junior enlisted. This was likely the targeted audience.

Consider this; the Commander in Chief issues an unlawful order, what should the senator’s action be? Call for an emergency session of congress? Seek redress in federal court? Or encourage junior enlisted to mutiny?

The last one is clearly inane. Outside a true illegal order, discontent is his only hope.

He was a ranking officer in the Navy. He knows the President isn’t doing anything illegal. It wasn’t illegal to fight undeclared wars in Korea and Vietnam, you can add Afghanistan and Iraq to that. It wasn’t illegal for our incursions into Pakistan. It wasn’t illegal for Clinton to lob missiles into Serbia. It seemingly was illegal to kill an American in a foreign country. It wasn’t illegal to invade Grenada, nor to invade Panama and forcibly remove its leader (a situation very close to the one that exists in Venezuela.). I could go on.

Bottom line, we have, for the past 75 years vested more and more authority in the executive branch and now dems are shocked by its breadth of authority.

[Salman]

It’s not one or the other. It’s both.

[big bad easter bunny]

so these billboards popping up saying the exact same thing are not coordinated? Extremelllllllllllllllly unlikely! Good try!

[lyby]

Who really knows the intentions of another? What is of concern are the results and consequences of the action(s).

Woe be to the azzhatz of the world.

[vivenne]

Then why was Kelly on Jimmy Kimmel saying he was not going to back down from his statements or from Trump the dictator?

[dfwgator]

What if monkeys flew out of my butt.

[Joann37]

Well, if they didn’t mean it, who cares? Mutiny is exactly what the outcome looks like.

[proust]

Indeed, the existentialist questions that plague us.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Oh stop! All six of them were hoping to sow the seeds of discord in our military personnel. They are guilty as sin of sedition but likely will get off with a warning. 🙄

[goodnesswins]

Oooohhh...there is that word “intend”....ya know, I did not intend to kill that person...just wound or scare them...yeah...thats it.

[gundog]

Troops aren’t required to obey illegal orders. Why back down from that position? Chain of command being what it is, it’s incumbent upon those at the top to determine what is or isn’t an illegal order. There may be some rank and file underling dumb enough to decide that they know best, but they’d be dealt with.

That said, I believe that Kelley and company have nefarious intent. Proving it might be well nigh impossible. It kind of sets up a reversed Nuremberg Trial argument...”I was only disobeying illegal orders.” It’s twisted, but it’s not the finest thread the wacky left ever clung to in support of their views.