Posted on 10/31/2025 6:26:32 AM PDT by week 71
A mathematical proof has finally debunked the idea that we live in a simulation, according to a group of international researchers.
The theory that the universe could be a computer programme has been championed by Elon Musk and formed the basis for sci-fi classics like The Matrix.
But scientists now say that this is not just unlikely, but mathematically impossible.
This is because the fundamental nature of reality operates in a way that can never be replicated by pure computation.
Thanks to the strangeness of quantum physics, no computer, however powerful, would ever be able to generate what the researchers call 'non-algorithmic understanding'.
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If we were living in a simulation, then there must be a reality in which a computer exists powerful enough to run the simulation.
A simulation requires a reality.
It can't stop thinking of new ways to grift taxpayer money on harebrained crap like this, that's what ;-)
I suppose natural proofs only say we will never be capable of simulating ourselves and leaves open the possibility of a higher order simulation that works in some way outside of human understanding, and possibly comprehension.
That said, it seems the deeper our species’ knowledge becomes, the more we learn the “why” behind things that are stated in the Bible. I don’t think that is confirmation bias given how many people out there seek to use science to discredit the Bible. With that as my premise I tend to doubt the intermediate step between us and our ultimate creator.
TLDR: Gödelian truths are proof of real existence.
Gödelian truths refer to statements that are true within a formal system (like arithmetic) but cannot be proven using the axioms and rules of that system itself.
A Gödelian truth is like a puzzle that says “This puzzle has no solution in this box.” You can see it’s true (the box really has no solution), but you can’t prove it using only the pieces inside the box.
In short, we build math on unprovable assumptions.
Analysis: "The universe is a simulation" schtick was always them just f**king with us.
Have to disagree and have a lot of great thinkers on my side here: natural proofs show that the source of all things is a perfect infinite being that transcends everything.
And scripture itself backs up this view, namely when Saint Paul wrote in Romans 1 19-20, which in the ESV translation reads:
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Ha, good point!
“Thanks to the strangeness of quantum physics, no computer, however powerful, would ever be able to generate what the researchers call ‘non-algorithmic understanding’.”
Then maybe a quantum computer can. They’re just around the corner.
The article is classic reification—confusing math and theoretical constructs with reality.
It is a very common fallacy of much of “science”.
So do the existing natural proofs allow for the aforementioned intermediate step between us and that perfect being? Man my head is spinning on this one, I may need a Tylenol or a research grant, not sure which.
No, they do not show anything about intermediate steps. They just deal with what the foundation of reality must be—not all the varied details.
Since it hurts when you impact the universe for all practical purposes it is quite real.
I don’t care if people want to engage in thought experiments. As long as I don’t have to pay for it.
The natural world of matter, energy, space, and time may behave in ways describable with mathematics, but math exists in its own domain. It is self-referential.
The idea that math proves something in the so-called “real world” is a misunderstanding the relationship between math and science.
And science (real science) has already demonstrated that the universe is not locally real. That is very much like a virtual reality. However, no testable (or falsifiable) theories have been proposed so far.
IMHO, whether it feels real to us, and our “science” proves it’s real, everything is a simulation in God’s mind.
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