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Trump in tense meeting with Zelensky as pair clash over Putin's intentions and Ukraine demands Tomahawk missiles
Daily Mail ^ | 13:29 EDT, 17 October 2025 | Updated: 14:38 EDT, 17 October 2025 | NIKKI SCHWAB, CHIEF CAMPAIGN CORRESPONDENT and ELINA SHIRAZI, US SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER and ROSS

Posted on 10/17/2025 11:41:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

Ukrainian President Zelensky delivered a pointed rebuke to Donald Trump's assessment of the war in Ukraine on Friday, insisting Vladimir 'Putin doesn't want peace' even as the American president continued to express confidence a resolution was in sight.

'We want peace, Putin doesn't want peace. That's why we need pressure on him,' Zelensky said, underscoring Kyiv's call for stronger US support.

At the same meeting, Trump said he believed Putin wants to finish the war. 

'I think President Putin wants to end the war, or he wouldn't be talking this way,' Trump said. 

Later in questions with reporters, Trump said he was concerned about being played by Putin.

'I have been played all my life by the best of them,' Trump acknowledged, a signal of his lingering reticence with Putin following a long conversation with the Russian leader on Thursday.

Zelensky start off his part of the speech celebrating Trump's success in the Middle East and saying that the momentum for peace in Europe is strong, and that Russia's defense forces are losing strength.

'I am confident with your help that we can stop this war. We see that they do not have success on the battlefield, they are weaker now,' Zelensky said. 


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: beggarofkiev; dailyfail; dailymaillol; greengrifter; littledictator; proxywar; russiantrollfarm; ukraine; welfarewar; zestinky
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To: Bikkuri

Your image downloading reminds me of the blazing speed of my 80meg memory Mcintosh performa.


21 posted on 10/17/2025 1:31:09 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Williams
On the other hand, Putin just hanging on to the Donbas would end the killing and keep Russia internally occupied for decades, spending its resources to rebuild it and repopulate it.

Zelenskyy should accept the reality that it's over, and focus on rebuilding the western rump state (which is large enough to develop plenty of natural resources, but small enough to have a chance to be managed effectively in spite of the corruption).

22 posted on 10/17/2025 1:36:44 PM PDT by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This war would have been over in March of 2022 if this creep was telling the truth. It would have been over after Trump’s meeting in Alaska with Putin if he was telling the truth.


23 posted on 10/17/2025 2:03:41 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: mac_truck

You read an intelligent statement of facts and analysis of the way the world has ALWAYS worked.

And your answer is that it’s “absolute gibberish”.

Why would anyone bother with your idiocy?


24 posted on 10/17/2025 2:05:17 PM PDT by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: tumblindice
That little pimp wants to suck us into his meat grinder.

Yep. I don’t think either Zelensky or Putin want peace. They’re both more interested in seeing how they can manipulate Trump for their own selfish gains.

Zelensky pretty much controlled Biden. I don’t know if the greedy little narcissist has realized that he won’t ever control Trump.

25 posted on 10/17/2025 2:10:01 PM PDT by Allegra (Thank you for your attention to this matter.)
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To: Bikkuri; tumblindice

26 posted on 10/17/2025 2:13:01 PM PDT by Allegra (Thank you for your attention to this matter.)
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To: Williams

How is the US harmed if Ukraine surrenders to Russia?


27 posted on 10/17/2025 2:13:14 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Allegra

Do you have nervous William Shatner looking out the airplane window at gremlin Volodio Zylynsky squatting on the wing?
I love that meme.


28 posted on 10/17/2025 2:35:42 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Z little grifter should wear a tie.
He’s so stupid he didn’t realize trump was making fun of how he dressed.\Tomahawks could start ww3
which is not what Trump promised!
Z-ski has been the problem by not ceding land
ceding Donetsk and Luhansk may get the war ended.
Trump must push Z-ski for this.


29 posted on 10/17/2025 4:12:48 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Mariner

Do you mean we are not harmed because Ukraine isn’t located in Ohio or something?

If you believe Europe or the rest of the world or NATO or trade or security or Russian aggression or encouraging an invasion of Taiwan, or a million other important things mean anything to us, then a Russian takeover of Ukraine would be a disaster.


30 posted on 10/17/2025 4:55:10 PM PDT by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: Williams

“Do you mean we are not harmed because Ukraine isn’t located in Ohio or something?”

No.

It’s because we have no real interests there.

And I’m asking you how you believe their surrender would harm the US.


31 posted on 10/17/2025 4:58:55 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Ok but you won’t really consider the reasons:

1 It would encourage further aggression just like Afghanistan did.

2 Ukraine is strategically located in terms of NATO, water access.

3 Superb military training and fighting ability in the hands of Russia.

4 Natural resources and strategic gas lines.

5 Direct threat to Poland our NATO ally.

6 Large educated population and industrial resources.

But once again if you think Europe doesn’t matter to us,etc, which is absurd, then none of that matters to you because you think it doesn’t matter if Russia threatens Europe/ NATO and Russia and China are emboldened.

It would be an unmitigated strategic and economic disaster for Europe, the United States and the world.


32 posted on 10/17/2025 5:09:55 PM PDT by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: Williams

“But once again if you think Europe doesn’t matter to us,etc, which is absurd, then none of that matters to you because you think it doesn’t matter if Russia threatens Europe/ NATO and Russia and China are emboldened.”

European NATO is a parasite sucking the life blood out of the American people. They are not healthy or rational enough to ensure their own survival...culturally (most important IMO, we share it with them) or politically/militarily.

We need to cut them loose to ensure they don’t take us down with them.

As for China, if they thought they could they would have already taken Taiwan. It has nothing to do with whether they THINK the US would respond. They have to assume we would.


33 posted on 10/17/2025 6:14:40 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Spoken like a lunatic detached from any understanding of the real world.


34 posted on 10/17/2025 6:32:44 PM PDT by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: Williams

Why do you continue making personal attacks?

Can you not argue the facts?

It’s low shit. Making you lower than whale shit.


35 posted on 10/17/2025 6:35:35 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Oops I think you made a personal attack.


36 posted on 10/17/2025 6:51:09 PM PDT by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

i AM QUITE CONFIDENT THAT MORE MISSILES WILL BRING PEACE.


37 posted on 10/17/2025 11:01:16 PM PDT by ichabod1 (..)
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To: Owen

They won’t nuke Kiev. Not even an Oreshnik. They want the Russian city of Kiev intact. As well as Odessa.


38 posted on 10/17/2025 11:02:56 PM PDT by ichabod1 (..)
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To: POGO163

bs


39 posted on 10/17/2025 11:03:48 PM PDT by ichabod1 (..)
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To: marron

why should he stop while he is winning without denazification?


40 posted on 10/17/2025 11:04:41 PM PDT by ichabod1 (..)
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